Luzon sword for comment

Battara · 12th February 2013, 08:58 PM

Since my name was mentioned..........

I am not sure what to say about this. I have heard about Luzono swords with thin wavy blades, but never seen one before. The horn is typical for Luzon as well as the tang going through the hilt. Not seen a wavy blade on any Mexican piece before.

However, the floral work is a little different. This may very well be Northern Philippines. but I can't tell you much more than that.

Robert · 12th February 2013, 09:11 PM

Hello Jose, Glad you saw your name.

I have more than a few Luzon pieces with wavy blades and have seen quite a few pieces with wavy blades that were clearly marked as being made in Mexico. Horn hilts and tangs that extend through the hilt are also the norm for most Mexican pieces as well as ones from the Philippines. The bird hilt and pointed waves is what makes me wonder if this is truly a Philippine item or not. Do you have any reference to this style of hilt on a Philippine item?

Best,
Robert

Battara · 12th February 2013, 09:14 PM

Robert - thank you for that information on Mexican bladed weapons.

I have not seen bird carvings like this on Philippine pieces, although I have seen them on Indonesian pieces. This may be Mexican if what you say is true and would explain the style of cross guard and floral patterns on both cross guard and scabbard.

On the other hand, there were centuries of trade between the Philippines and Mexican territories.

carlos · 12th February 2013, 10:48 PM

hello
I followed the auction but finally I didn,t bid. The style of the guard and sheath are similars of this dagger I bought 2 years ago.
Best regards
carlos
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10062

Lew · 13th February 2013, 10:36 AM

As far as a Mexican connection in the Philippine goes

. Notice the guard style it the same as the other two daggers.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...lippine+dagger

Robert · 13th February 2013, 07:19 PM

Hello Lew,
I am not saying that this is not from the Philippines, I was just pointing out a few things about it that make me wonder about it. This could very well be Philippine but just with more Mexican influence than I am used to seeing. What makes me think that this could be a later piece (1940 or later) can be seen in the second picture down from the top that shows how pointed the waves are, which is something that I have seen on quite a few later Philippine pieces. A very interesting piece where ever it is from.

Best,
Robert

VVV · 13th February 2013, 08:13 PM

This is not my area but I think it is Luzon, even if the hilt is unusual.
Here is a kris with a resembling guard that clearly is not Mexican.

Michael

12th February 2013, 10:48 PM	#4
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	hello I followed the auction but finally I didn,t bid. The style of the guard and sheath are similars of this dagger I bought 2 years ago. Best regards carlos http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10062 Attached Images

13th February 2013, 08:13 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	This is not my area but I think it is Luzon, even if the hilt is unusual. Here is a kris with a resembling guard that clearly is not Mexican. Michael Attached Images

12th February 2013, 08:58 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Since my name was mentioned.......... I am not sure what to say about this. I have heard about Luzono swords with thin wavy blades, but never seen one before. The horn is typical for Luzon as well as the tang going through the hilt. Not seen a wavy blade on any Mexican piece before. However, the floral work is a little different. This may very well be Northern Philippines. but I can't tell you much more than that.

12th February 2013, 09:11 PM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Jose, Glad you saw your name. I have more than a few Luzon pieces with wavy blades and have seen quite a few pieces with wavy blades that were clearly marked as being made in Mexico. Horn hilts and tangs that extend through the hilt are also the norm for most Mexican pieces as well as ones from the Philippines. The bird hilt and pointed waves is what makes me wonder if this is truly a Philippine item or not. Do you have any reference to this style of hilt on a Philippine item? Best, Robert

12th February 2013, 09:14 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Robert - thank you for that information on Mexican bladed weapons. I have not seen bird carvings like this on Philippine pieces, although I have seen them on Indonesian pieces. This may be Mexican if what you say is true and would explain the style of cross guard and floral patterns on both cross guard and scabbard. On the other hand, there were centuries of trade between the Philippines and Mexican territories.

13th February 2013, 10:36 AM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	As far as a Mexican connection in the Philippine goes . Notice the guard style it the same as the other two daggers. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...lippine+dagger

13th February 2013, 07:19 PM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Lew, I am not saying that this is not from the Philippines, I was just pointing out a few things about it that make me wonder about it. This could very well be Philippine but just with more Mexican influence than I am used to seeing. What makes me think that this could be a later piece (1940 or later) can be seen in the second picture down from the top that shows how pointed the waves are, which is something that I have seen on quite a few later Philippine pieces. A very interesting piece where ever it is from. Best, Robert