Deop Gunsmith Family of Catalonia

Fernando K · 10th February 2013, 03:19 PM

Dear Fernando (and Dana)

l - Regarding the etymology of the word PEDREÑAL = Pedrenyal, there are two theories: that derived from CHEST = Poitrine, or stone and is derived from the Greek STONE (can't write in Greek), ("petra focaia" in Italian) and refers to pyrite. I chose the latter.

2 - LAVIN, at p. 230 refers to the short (4) Spanish wheelock arms which exist in Museums
1 - The M No. 487 of Victoria and Albert in London
2 - The N2 K 42 of the Royal Armoury of Madrid
3 - No. 1874-31 at the Royal Scottish Museum, Edinburgh
4 - No. 1430 in the Museo Civico Correr in Venice

"Locally, these pistols were called" flintlocks "" (Pedrenyal, in Catalan)

3 - I agree, the term "Pedrenyal" became a weapon of other ignition systems , as the first image of the previous post, "Pany of Transitio" and the second, that of "molinhas".

Affectionately. Fernando k

Miqueleter · 11th February 2013, 01:23 AM

Dana et al

I had my cyber friend and ISIFIF member Alfredo translate the generic Deop entry that Dana posted and this is what he came up with. I have not looked into his trouble with the Roman numbers (as they confuse me to no end). Please comment on apparent errors in his translation, if found. Thanks

(DEOP) Lineage of firearm masters who started in Ripoll mid XVX century (the roman numerals don't make sense XVX, if the V was I instead, then it would be nineteen century, same as xrx, replace r with I) where it kept going well into the nineteen century. Seem to be originated in Central Europe and there were three Deep -Pedro, Arnaldo and Gimido- who settled in that village/ city. This last name was frequent among the gunsmiths ripollenses, (from Ripoll) who especialized in <<pany>> reason they were called <<panyetaires>> just like other lineages specialized in <<enceps>> or in <<cenons>>. Their trademark abound in guns that came from Ripoll until our times.

Fernando K · 11th February 2013, 10:49 AM

Migueleter at al:

"cenons" not. CANONS Yes (barrel)

Afectuosamente. Fernando K

dana_w · 18th February 2013, 04:41 PM

Maybe we should create a Translation Glossary. Can you help me with these words?

puxxzén
cabalaua
famcsa

fernando · 18th February 2013, 04:55 PM

You sure there is no wrong spelling ?
Famcsa must famosa = famous ... in the feminine gender.

fernando · 18th February 2013, 05:31 PM

cabalau would be a family name

dana_w · 18th February 2013, 06:19 PM

You are right Fernando, it was "famosa". My OCR picked up the text wrong and I didn't catch it.

Armanguer, Ripoll, Spain, Circa 1675
List of Spanish Gunmakers with a Collection of their marks, Page 93 and 98
Spanish Guns and Pistols, by W. Keith Neal (1955)

10th February 2013, 03:19 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Dear Fernando (and Dana) l - Regarding the etymology of the word PEDREÑAL = Pedrenyal, there are two theories: that derived from CHEST = Poitrine, or stone and is derived from the Greek STONE (can't write in Greek), ("petra focaia" in Italian) and refers to pyrite. I chose the latter. 2 - LAVIN, at p. 230 refers to the short (4) Spanish wheelock arms which exist in Museums 1 - The M No. 487 of Victoria and Albert in London 2 - The N2 K 42 of the Royal Armoury of Madrid 3 - No. 1874-31 at the Royal Scottish Museum, Edinburgh 4 - No. 1430 in the Museo Civico Correr in Venice "Locally, these pistols were called" flintlocks "" (Pedrenyal, in Catalan) 3 - I agree, the term "Pedrenyal" became a weapon of other ignition systems , as the first image of the previous post, "Pany of Transitio" and the second, that of "molinhas". Affectionately. Fernando k Last edited by fernando; 10th February 2013 at 03:39 PM.

11th February 2013, 01:23 AM	#2
Miqueleter Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 39	Deop Dana et al I had my cyber friend and ISIFIF member Alfredo translate the generic Deop entry that Dana posted and this is what he came up with. I have not looked into his trouble with the Roman numbers (as they confuse me to no end). Please comment on apparent errors in his translation, if found. Thanks (DEOP) Lineage of firearm masters who started in Ripoll mid XVX century (the roman numerals don't make sense XVX, if the V was I instead, then it would be nineteen century, same as xrx, replace r with I) where it kept going well into the nineteen century. Seem to be originated in Central Europe and there were three Deep -Pedro, Arnaldo and Gimido- who settled in that village/ city. This last name was frequent among the gunsmiths ripollenses, (from Ripoll) who especialized in <<pany>> reason they were called <<panyetaires>> just like other lineages specialized in <<enceps>> or in <<cenons>>. Their trademark abound in guns that came from Ripoll until our times.

18th February 2013, 06:19 PM	#7
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 437	You are right Fernando, it was "famosa". My OCR picked up the text wrong and I didn't catch it. Armanguer, Ripoll, Spain, Circa 1675 List of Spanish Gunmakers with a Collection of their marks, Page 93 and 98 Spanish Guns and Pistols, by W. Keith Neal (1955) Attached Images

11th February 2013, 10:49 AM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Migueleter at al: "cenons" not. CANONS Yes (barrel) Afectuosamente. Fernando K

18th February 2013, 04:41 PM	#4
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 437	Maybe we should create a Translation Glossary. Can you help me with these words? puxxzén cabalaua famcsa

18th February 2013, 04:55 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	You sure there is no wrong spelling ? Famcsa must famosa = famous ... in the feminine gender.

18th February 2013, 05:31 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	cabalau would be a family name