Sundanga from Sulawesi for comment

Maurice · 31st January 2013, 01:06 AM

Found this on my search......
A very old drawing, no info further

Maurice · 31st January 2013, 01:07 AM

And another one!

Text says: Lac Taman - P. Lomprong

Amuk Murugul · 31st January 2013, 03:49 AM

Hullo everybody!

Hmmmmm ..... a bit like the chicken and the egg.
Boils down to belief, I suppose (pardon the pun)

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I personally have no problem with it; all seems in order.
However, in your case, perhaps you need to view it from the movements of people in the past.
A good example would be to study three individuals in particular: Arung Pallaka, Kapiten Jonker and Cornelis Janszoon Speelman.
Then may you find an answer of some satisfaction to you.

Best,

Sajen · 31st January 2013, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo everybody!

Hmmmmm ..... a bit like the chicken and the egg.
Boils down to belief, I suppose (pardon the pun)

.
I personally have no problem with it; all seems in order.
However, in your case, perhaps you need to view it from the movements of people in the past.
A good example would be to study three individuals in particular: Arung Pallaka, Kapiten Jonker and Cornelis Janszoon Speelman.
Then may you find an answer of some satisfaction to you.

Best,

Hello Amuk,

please can you explain a little bit more precise? And what do you think from where this shown examples orginate?

Thank you in advance,

Detlef

Maurice · 30th May 2013, 10:27 AM

I've found a very old one from Preanger -> West Java.
The scabbardtip and - mouth are gone, but a nice addition is the inlay at the back of the obviously old blade. Never have seen inlay on these swords before at the spine of the blade.

It's very likely that these swords are from before 1850 (and probably earlier), as there is a big possibility they were out of fashion allready at that time.
I think a very undervalued piece in private collections, probably because people don't realize how old these pieces are!?!
It's similar at the ones from the old drawings (post #24 and #25), which were made around 1825 (as I found out recently with help of a friendcollector).

Rg,
Maurice

Sajen · 30th May 2013, 02:38 PM

Hi Maurice,

very nice one, thank you for posting this for our eyes!

Regards,

Detlef

31st January 2013, 01:06 AM	#1
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Found this on my search...... A very old drawing, no info further Attached Images

31st January 2013, 03:49 AM	#3
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	Hullo everybody! Hmmmmm ..... a bit like the chicken and the egg. Boils down to belief, I suppose (pardon the pun). I personally have no problem with it; all seems in order. However, in your case, perhaps you need to view it from the movements of people in the past. A good example would be to study three individuals in particular: Arung Pallaka, Kapiten Jonker and Cornelis Janszoon Speelman. Then may you find an answer of some satisfaction to you. Best,

30th May 2013, 10:27 AM	#5
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	I've found a very old one from Preanger -> West Java. The scabbardtip and - mouth are gone, but a nice addition is the inlay at the back of the obviously old blade. Never have seen inlay on these swords before at the spine of the blade. It's very likely that these swords are from before 1850 (and probably earlier), as there is a big possibility they were out of fashion allready at that time. I think a very undervalued piece in private collections, probably because people don't realize how old these pieces are!?! It's similar at the ones from the old drawings (post #24 and #25), which were made around 1825 (as I found out recently with help of a friendcollector). Rg, Maurice Attached Images

31st January 2013, 01:07 AM	#2
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	And another one! Text says: Lac Taman - P. Lomprong Attached Images

30th May 2013, 02:38 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,207	Hi Maurice, very nice one, thank you for posting this for our eyes! Regards, Detlef