keris for charing

semar · 27th December 2012, 04:22 PM

hallo Jean

i like this one i can not explane for me its a nice keris
and about the pamor i think this keris have pamor
ore how you like to call it ?????

regarts semar

Jean · 27th December 2012, 08:16 PM

Hello Semar,
Of course this blade has pamor but sorry I am unable to identify which style.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 27th December 2012, 08:57 PM

Jean, I feel that close examination would show that this keris does have a core, but it is not a keris with any quality, the forging has been carelessly handled , and although I feel it might have been produced in the greater Surakarta area it is the work of a smith, rather than a pandai keris. A random pamor like this would be called "wos wutah" by most people; others would give it as kulit semangko, others would give it as real or improvised variation of wos wutah.

The dress I find quite pleasing; possibly the complete keris dates from early 20th century.

Sajen · 27th December 2012, 10:32 PM

Important is that Semar like the keris and frankly said, I have seen here much less "fine" keris.

A. G. Maisey · 27th December 2012, 10:56 PM

Yep, no disagreement with that Detlef.

semar · 28th December 2012, 08:30 AM

Thank you Detlef

and aboud the pamor its not a kulit semangka bud what its is ???????
i don`t know ho can explane me what you mean with core ??

regards semar

Jean · 28th December 2012, 09:08 AM

Hello Semar,
Alan would explain it better but a kris blade is normally constructed with a steel core in the inner part of the blade (and thus visible on the cutting edges which need to be hard and strong) and a iron/ pamor mix at the surface of the blade on both sides. The exposed part of the steel core on the edges is called slorok. In the case of your blade, this slorok is not clearly marked and the pamor is visible deep inside the blade (pejetan) which is unusual so this is why I wondered whether it has a steel core or not.

Regards

27th December 2012, 04:22 PM	#1
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	hallo Jean i like this one i can not explane for me its a nice keris and about the pamor i think this keris have pamor ore how you like to call it ????? regarts semar

27th December 2012, 08:16 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Semar, Of course this blade has pamor but sorry I am unable to identify which style. Regards

27th December 2012, 08:57 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	Jean, I feel that close examination would show that this keris does have a core, but it is not a keris with any quality, the forging has been carelessly handled , and although I feel it might have been produced in the greater Surakarta area it is the work of a smith, rather than a pandai keris. A random pamor like this would be called "wos wutah" by most people; others would give it as kulit semangko, others would give it as real or improvised variation of wos wutah. The dress I find quite pleasing; possibly the complete keris dates from early 20th century.

27th December 2012, 10:32 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,274	Important is that Semar like the keris and frankly said, I have seen here much less "fine" keris.

27th December 2012, 10:56 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	Yep, no disagreement with that Detlef.

28th December 2012, 08:30 AM	#6
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	Thank you Detlef and aboud the pamor its not a kulit semangka bud what its is ??????? i don`t know ho can explane me what you mean with core ?? regards semar

28th December 2012, 09:08 AM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Semar, Alan would explain it better but a kris blade is normally constructed with a steel core in the inner part of the blade (and thus visible on the cutting edges which need to be hard and strong) and a iron/ pamor mix at the surface of the blade on both sides. The exposed part of the steel core on the edges is called slorok. In the case of your blade, this slorok is not clearly marked and the pamor is visible deep inside the blade (pejetan) which is unusual so this is why I wondered whether it has a steel core or not. Regards