Origins of karabela

ariel · 16th December 2012, 11:52 PM

And here are 2 Yemeni Nimchas, 19th century, with rudimentary "karabela" handles. Ottoman Turks " were there, done that":-)

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 17th December 2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

And here are 2 Yemeni Nimchas, 19th century, with rudimentary "karabela" handles. Ottoman Turks " were there, done that":-)

Salaams ! Ariel whilst Ive now sorted out my camera in support of your Turkish style hilt with a picture of a sketch of Selim the Grims son Suleyman the Magnificent and Janissaries with swords ~ The date of the engraving is 1559 A.D.

I might add that the cross guard of the style you show at your last post (left above) is normally Saudia in form.(According to Buttin).

I agree generally that the Yemeni style is as you show though it can have a variety of guards. It is, however, of the group Zanzibari style...One could pontificate all day about which pot it was boiled in but there it is; according to Buttin.

My only caution here is that you have almost entirely written off the influence of Syrian and Iranian form in its entirity whereas I can't do that since there was a lot of cross polination in style...

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 27th May 2013, 03:38 PM

Salaams All ~ I thought it rather odd that we have here a thread which takes an arguement perhaps half way up the hill and stops ? Is there anyone sitting on the fence who can run with this one...or was it something I said ?

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 11th August 2013, 11:32 AM

Salaams all ~ I have a Karabela.... The weapon came to hand for a friend who bought the item in Mutrah souk Muscat some 2 decades ago and is interesting since it has a dot on the tip of what appears to be a European imported blade ...and a typical Yemeni to Oman inter souk traded item. The design is clearly a local Yemeni copy of Peter Munich of Solingen style...(1595-1660) I believe so liked because of its moon phase ... and generally well respected blade...The moon phase also likely to have been copied by Munich from Juan Martinez of Toledo (mid 16th C)

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

16th December 2012, 11:52 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	And here are 2 Yemeni Nimchas, 19th century, with rudimentary "karabela" handles. Ottoman Turks " were there, done that":-) Attached Images

11th August 2013, 11:32 AM	#4
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams all ~ I have a Karabela.... The weapon came to hand for a friend who bought the item in Mutrah souk Muscat some 2 decades ago and is interesting since it has a dot on the tip of what appears to be a European imported blade ...and a typical Yemeni to Oman inter souk traded item. The design is clearly a local Yemeni copy of Peter Munich of Solingen style...(1595-1660) I believe so liked because of its moon phase ... and generally well respected blade...The moon phase also likely to have been copied by Munich from Juan Martinez of Toledo (mid 16th C) Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 11th August 2013 at 12:42 PM.

27th May 2013, 03:38 PM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams All ~ I thought it rather odd that we have here a thread which takes an arguement perhaps half way up the hill and stops ? Is there anyone sitting on the fence who can run with this one...or was it something I said ? Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.