Period Photos of People with Ethnographic Arms

CharlesS · 4th December 2012, 04:01 PM

I am wondering why they are holding them(takoubas) hilt to the ground???...it does look like they have both taken off their belts and slung them across the top of the takouba. Looks like a curved dagger on the ground also attached to a belt.

Interesting...

Great pic....thanks for the addition!

Iain · 4th December 2012, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesS

I am wondering why they are holding them(takoubas) hilt to the ground???...it does look like they have both taken off their belts and slung them across the top of the takouba. Looks like a curved dagger on the ground also attached to a belt.

Interesting...

Great pic....thanks for the addition!

Hi Charles, holding the takouba hilt down is not unusual in period and contemporary photos. Not sure of the exact reason why - a non threatening posture maybe?

Good eye for the knife - hadn't noticed that.

Here's a few examples from the present day:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikaram...57606151530689
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikaram...57606151530689
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikaram...57606151530689

Iain · 20th May 2013, 12:45 PM

A couple of additions to this thread.

Where: Paris Museum
When: Unknown
Who: Museum display of Tuareg warriors
Weapons visible: spears, swords
Source if known: Old French postcard

Where: Italian Libya
When: Presumed sometime between 1911 and the 1940s
Who: Tuareg archer
Weapons visible: Bow, arrows
Source if known: Old Italian postcard

Jonno · 20th May 2013, 05:02 PM

Interesting photo Benteng Samaghani rond 1895.
Armed Atjehers with Dutch soldiers.
See also http://www.atchin.nl/Atchin/Atjehers/Atjehers.html

https://www.facebook.com/Keumpenie

Maurice · 20th May 2013, 06:09 PM

From Timor!

machinist · 21st May 2013, 02:44 AM

Some Don Cossacks by Ivan Boldyrev

machinist · 21st May 2013, 03:06 AM

Some people of the Caucasus, A Mingrelian, A Svan family suposedly of the House of Dadeshkeliani, and a Kazbegi family.
The attribution are not mine and I hope the spelling is proper if their descendants are watching

CharlesS · 4th December 2012, 04:07 PM

Great pic of Moro armor and kampillan(note pommel holes but no hair decoration)...not to mention a gorgeous shield that several of us would love to have!!!

sirupate · 6th December 2012, 09:47 PM

that is a great pic of an old Moro warrior

Battara · 7th December 2012, 03:47 AM

Great picture of this Maranao (probably) datu. However the photo is a little washed out, so here is the picture modified to bring out more detail.

Rick · 7th December 2012, 05:38 AM

A few Moros .
First picture; a Moro of above middle class; he has a horse and a nice kris .

Second; two Vintas .
Note that the tassels on the boom-ends are most likely used as 'tell-tales' to show wind flow over the sail .

I think it is interesting to note that almost all the spears in the 'fence' ,picture 3 have 'tassels just below the blade .
I expect those were functional rather than decorative .
Wouldn't we love to own that fence .

Looks like a Krag that the soldier in the background of the next to last picture is holding; these strike me as exceptionally long lances .

And the guys in the last picture ??
Pure attitude .

Enjoy .

sirupate · 7th December 2012, 11:07 AM

Fabulous pics, they appear to re-enforce my view that what is called FMA these days is not what was traditionally practised and used in their Martial Arts until at some point in the early 20th century.
Which was possibly first affected by the Spanish training friendly Filipino's for use in their army, then the Americans and then the Japanese (of whom quite a few fled to the Philippines in the 17th century)in WW2 and Japanese MA post WW2, just thoughts that have been floating around in my mind.

Gustav · 7th December 2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Great picture of this Maranao (probably) datu.

Perhaps more likely a bodyguard of a high ranked person.

Battara · 7th December 2012, 03:12 PM

Actually Gustav the datus were the only ones who had the money and status to afford armour.

I will also make the note that in this picture the kampilan does not fit the scabbard and the scabbard was hand painted later.

Gustav · 7th December 2012, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Actually Gustav the datus were the only ones who had the money and status to afford armour.

I will also make the note that in this picture the kampilan does not fit the scabbard and the scabbard was hand painted later.

Jose, so this picture depicts two Moro Datu and a woman?

Would you call this weapon a kampilan?

20th May 2013, 12:45 PM	#3
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,717	A couple of additions to this thread. Where: Paris Museum When: Unknown Who: Museum display of Tuareg warriors Weapons visible: spears, swords Source if known: Old French postcard Where: Italian Libya When: Presumed sometime between 1911 and the 1940s Who: Tuareg archer Weapons visible: Bow, arrows Source if known: Old Italian postcard Attached Images

20th May 2013, 05:02 PM	#4
Jonno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 51	Interesting photo Benteng Samaghani rond 1895. Armed Atjehers with Dutch soldiers. See also http://www.atchin.nl/Atchin/Atjehers/Atjehers.html https://www.facebook.com/Keumpenie Attached Images

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Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	From Timor! Attached Images

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machinist Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 93	Some Don Cossacks by Ivan Boldyrev Attached Images

21st May 2013, 03:06 AM	#7
machinist Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 93	Some people of the Caucasus, A Mingrelian, A Svan family suposedly of the House of Dadeshkeliani, and a Kazbegi family. The attribution are not mine and I hope the spelling is proper if their descendants are watching Attached Images

4th December 2012, 04:01 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I am wondering why they are holding them(takoubas) hilt to the ground???...it does look like they have both taken off their belts and slung them across the top of the takouba. Looks like a curved dagger on the ground also attached to a belt. Interesting... Great pic....thanks for the addition!

4th December 2012, 04:07 PM	#8
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Great pic of Moro armor and kampillan(note pommel holes but no hair decoration)...not to mention a gorgeous shield that several of us would love to have!!! Attached Images

6th December 2012, 09:47 PM	#9
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	that is a great pic of an old Moro warrior

7th December 2012, 03:47 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Great picture of this Maranao (probably) datu. However the photo is a little washed out, so here is the picture modified to bring out more detail. Attached Images

7th December 2012, 05:38 AM	#11
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	A few Moros . First picture; a Moro of above middle class; he has a horse and a nice kris . Second; two Vintas . Note that the tassels on the boom-ends are most likely used as 'tell-tales' to show wind flow over the sail . I think it is interesting to note that almost all the spears in the 'fence' ,picture 3 have 'tassels just below the blade . I expect those were functional rather than decorative . Wouldn't we love to own that fence . Looks like a Krag that the soldier in the background of the next to last picture is holding; these strike me as exceptionally long lances . And the guys in the last picture ?? Pure attitude . Enjoy . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 7th December 2012 at 06:15 AM.

7th December 2012, 11:07 AM	#12
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Fabulous pics, they appear to re-enforce my view that what is called FMA these days is not what was traditionally practised and used in their Martial Arts until at some point in the early 20th century. Which was possibly first affected by the Spanish training friendly Filipino's for use in their army, then the Americans and then the Japanese (of whom quite a few fled to the Philippines in the 17th century)in WW2 and Japanese MA post WW2, just thoughts that have been floating around in my mind.

7th December 2012, 03:12 PM	#14
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Actually Gustav the datus were the only ones who had the money and status to afford armour. I will also make the note that in this picture the kampilan does not fit the scabbard and the scabbard was hand painted later.