Figural !

Battara · 19th November 2012, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Ok here is my one and only ivory and gold Balinese hilt of Ravana.........

Sorry for not responding - thank you.

Also I did the gold mounts myself (hope they are not too aweful....

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Battara · 19th November 2012, 03:23 AM

Did not realize there was such a variation of hilts......

Sajen · 19th November 2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Sorry for not responding - thank you.

Also I did the gold mounts myself (hope they are not too aweful....

)

Haven't realised that it isn't original!

Jean · 24th November 2012, 02:18 PM

Three peculiar Javanese hilts in figural style.
Regards

Battara · 25th November 2012, 12:13 AM

That last one - is that ivory and wood?

David · 25th November 2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

That last one - is that ivory and wood?

Looks that way to me Rick. A more figural version of the "wadon" style of hilt that some folks call "durga". Very cool hilt whatever you call it...

Jean · 25th November 2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

That last one - is that ivory and wood?

Yes, correct, ivory inserts on wood, the piece has some age.
And I attach 3 more javanese figural hilts including the "Durga" style mentioned by David.
Regards

Sajen · 28th November 2012, 04:05 PM

Just have bought this very fine carved ivory handle from the North coast of Java or Madura (picture from the ebay listing). Will post by time more handles of this type.

BTW, does someone know why ivory handles from North Java often are blackened?

Jean · 28th November 2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

BTW, does someone know why ivory handles from North Java often are blackened?

I have no idea in your case but I have one blackened tapak kuda hilt from Central Sumatra made from antler or bone (apparently not resin from the "dentist" drilling test of the peksi). In my case I think that the dying was made because these hilts are traditionally black but why was it not made from black buffalo horn? May be the former owner did not like the original white colour?

Gustav · 28th November 2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Just have bought this very fine carved ivory handle from the North coast of Java or Madura (picture from the ebay listing). Will post by time more handles of this type.

BTW, does someone know why ivory handles from North Java often are blackened?

Sajen, I see some suspicious little bulbs on this hilt. I hope I am wrong.

asian-keris · 31st December 2012, 02:31 PM

Like

Marcokeris · 31st December 2012, 03:24 PM

I like too

Rick · 31st December 2012, 05:08 PM

Me 3.

asomotif · 31st December 2012, 05:43 PM

I like 4 delayed x-mas present.

ps do you have more pictures / back / side ?

David · 31st December 2012, 06:00 PM

I'll jump on the bandwagon...yowzah!!!

Battara · 1st January 2013, 12:01 AM

A little unusual - great example!

ganjawulung · 15th June 2014, 04:50 AM

Some cirebonese hilts with 'buta bajang' motives and also 'pulungan'...

Ganjawulung Collection

ganjawulung · 15th June 2014, 04:54 AM

Some cirebonese 'buta bajang' hilt and Rajamala of Tegal, Central Java....

Ganjawulung Collection

A. G. Maisey · 15th June 2014, 06:16 AM

Ex Puri Badung

Jean · 15th June 2014, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Ex Puri Badung

What a masterpiece, congratulations!
Regards

Jean · 15th June 2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Some cirebonese hilts with 'buta bajang' motives and also 'pulungan'...

Ganjawulung Collection

Dear Ganja,
What is the difference betwen the 2 types, I observe that some specimens wear a sort of crown and Garuda mungkur in the back, is it what makes the difference?
Regards

HughChen · 24th August 2024, 05:22 PM

hilt

milandro · 25th August 2024, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HughChen

hilt

Are you sure this is a Kris hilt?

I think that this may be a the hilt ( or rather the handle) of a Betelnut chisel or cutter

they are generally more ornate and have often this truncated cone shape

these were sold (terminated auction, therefore allowed) and in my view are similar

David · 25th August 2024, 08:37 PM

I am in agreement with Milandro. More likely a Betel Nut tool.

A. G. Maisey · 25th August 2024, 10:34 PM

Yes, pelecok.

HughChen · 26th August 2024, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by milandro

Are you sure this is a Kris hilt?

I think that this may be a the hilt ( or rather the handle) of a Betelnut chisel or cutter

they are generally more ornate and have often this truncated cone shape

these were sold (terminated auction, therefore allowed) and in my view are similar

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Originally Posted by David

I am in agreement with Milandro. More likely a Betel Nut tool.

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, pelecok.

I'm not sure. We thought it was a hilt. Maybe the Betelnut chisel and Keris sometimes share a handle by native users.

A. G. Maisey · 26th August 2024, 04:53 AM

No, I'm sorry HughChen, but a keris hilt & a pelecok are two entirely different things & they do not share hilts. The pelecok is a tool, the keris is a socio-religious icon & a weapon.

There can be no doubt about this.

Sajen · 26th August 2024, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HughChen

I'm not sure. We thought it was a hilt. Maybe the Betelnut chisel and Keris sometimes share a handle by native users.

Hello Chen,

I am with the others, it's a handle for a betel pestle, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=betel

Regards,
Detlef

HughChen · 26th August 2024, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

No, I'm sorry HughChen, but a keris hilt & a pelecok are two entirely different things & they do not share hilts. The pelecok is a tool, the keris is a socio-religious icon & a weapon.

There can be no doubt about this.

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Chen,

I am with the others, it's a handle for a betel pestle, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=betel

Regards,
Detlef

Thank you for correcting of my misunderstanding. Based on those pics,T think maybe this horn one is also not a hilt, while the wooden one is a Balinese hilt.

David · 27th August 2024, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HughChen

Thank you for correcting of my misunderstanding. Based on those pics,T think maybe this horn one is also not a hilt, while the wooden one is a Balinese hilt.

I'm not sure what in Detlef's link gave you that impression. IMO this horn figural hilt is indeed a keris hilt.

24th November 2012, 02:18 PM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Three peculiar Javanese hilts in figural style. Regards Attached Images

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,415	Just have bought this very fine carved ivory handle from the North coast of Java or Madura (picture from the ebay listing). Will post by time more handles of this type. BTW, does someone know why ivory handles from North Java often are blackened? Attached Images

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asian-keris Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 32	Figural Like Attached Images

15th June 2014, 04:50 AM	#17
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Cirebon and West Java.... Some cirebonese hilts with 'buta bajang' motives and also 'pulungan'... Ganjawulung Collection Attached Images

15th June 2014, 04:54 AM	#18
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Cirebon and Tegal Some cirebonese 'buta bajang' hilt and Rajamala of Tegal, Central Java.... Ganjawulung Collection Attached Images

19th November 2012, 03:23 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Did not realize there was such a variation of hilts......

25th November 2012, 12:13 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	That last one - is that ivory and wood?

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Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	I like too

31st December 2012, 05:08 PM	#13
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Me 3.

31st December 2012, 05:43 PM	#14
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,237	I like 4 delayed x-mas present. ps do you have more pictures / back / side ?

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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	I'll jump on the bandwagon...yowzah!!!

1st January 2013, 12:01 AM	#16
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	A little unusual - great example!

15th June 2014, 06:16 AM	#19
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Ex Puri Badung Attached Images

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HughChen Member Join Date: Aug 2024 Location: China Posts: 175	hilt Attached Images

25th August 2024, 08:37 PM	#24
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	I am in agreement with Milandro. More likely a Betel Nut tool.

25th August 2024, 10:34 PM	#25
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yes, pelecok.

26th August 2024, 04:53 AM	#27
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	No, I'm sorry HughChen, but a keris hilt & a pelecok are two entirely different things & they do not share hilts. The pelecok is a tool, the keris is a socio-religious icon & a weapon. There can be no doubt about this.