Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

Foxbat · 5th November 2012, 07:43 PM

Thank you! Can't really tell much about it besides the fact that it has 36" blade with wolf mark on it, with wonderful balance. The only other picture of it is here, shown with its sister sword.

cornelistromp · 6th November 2012, 10:28 AM

Hi,

re: the guard
circular tracks (due to mechanical rotation?) can be seen on the flat side of the guard finals.
Can you please post a picture where you can see how these finals are attached to the guard?

Do you maybe have a provenance of this sword, collection, dealer or auctionhouse?

best,

fernando · 6th November 2012, 10:32 AM

Magnificent. Is the 'sister' also from your collection ?

fernando · 6th November 2012, 10:46 AM

Oh Jasper, i didn't know that you were posting before me.
I see what you mean; a sharp eye from an experienced collector !
Let us hear from Foxbat.

Foxbat · 6th November 2012, 12:58 PM

As far as I can tell the finials and the bars are one piece, together with the block.

broadaxe · 6th November 2012, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxbat

As far as I can tell the finials and the bars are one piece, together with the block.

The circular grooves could have been made by the tool used to turn the hot iron bar in the process of making, to create the screw-effect on the guard branches.

cornelistromp · 7th November 2012, 07:18 AM

I apologize if I kick someone against the sore leg, my personal opinion in all frankness.
some style attributes, especially on the guard and ricasso block, combined with the extreme rarity of this type make me suspect that this is probably a later reproduction.(20thst or 19th century)

Only two authentic swords of this type are known to me;

- one in the Berliner Zeughaus, published by G. Hitl, p.58 waffensammlung Nr.334 and Mueller/koelling/Platow, Europaische Hieb und Stich Waffen p.189 Nr. 96.

- Another one sold by Hermann Historica 19 mai 2001 lot 64

best,

Foxbat · 7th November 2012, 02:28 PM

No apology is needed, we are all entitled to our opinions. In addition things like auction records are not 100% reliable, as some of us have discovered. Having this sword in my hands, I rule out 19th or 20th century replica idea. Could it possibly be a very early, perhaps even a period, composite? Yes. My level of expertise does not go that far.

Foxbat · 6th November 2012, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Magnificent. Is the 'sister' also from your collection ?

Yes, they hang together.

5th November 2012, 07:43 PM	#1
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	Thank you! Can't really tell much about it besides the fact that it has 36" blade with wolf mark on it, with wonderful balance. The only other picture of it is here, shown with its sister sword. Attached Images

6th November 2012, 10:28 AM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi, re: the guard circular tracks (due to mechanical rotation?) can be seen on the flat side of the guard finals. Can you please post a picture where you can see how these finals are attached to the guard? Do you maybe have a provenance of this sword, collection, dealer or auctionhouse? best, Attached Images

7th November 2012, 07:18 AM	#7
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	I apologize if I kick someone against the sore leg, my personal opinion in all frankness. some style attributes, especially on the guard and ricasso block, combined with the extreme rarity of this type make me suspect that this is probably a later reproduction.(20thst or 19th century) Only two authentic swords of this type are known to me; - one in the Berliner Zeughaus, published by G. Hitl, p.58 waffensammlung Nr.334 and Mueller/koelling/Platow, Europaische Hieb und Stich Waffen p.189 Nr. 96. - Another one sold by Hermann Historica 19 mai 2001 lot 64 best, Last edited by cornelistromp; 7th November 2012 at 08:06 AM.

6th November 2012, 10:32 AM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Magnificent. Is the 'sister' also from your collection ?

6th November 2012, 10:46 AM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Oh Jasper, i didn't know that you were posting before me. I see what you mean; a sharp eye from an experienced collector ! Let us hear from Foxbat.

6th November 2012, 12:58 PM	#5
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	As far as I can tell the finials and the bars are one piece, together with the block.

7th November 2012, 02:28 PM	#8
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	No apology is needed, we are all entitled to our opinions. In addition things like auction records are not 100% reliable, as some of us have discovered. Having this sword in my hands, I rule out 19th or 20th century replica idea. Could it possibly be a very early, perhaps even a period, composite? Yes. My level of expertise does not go that far.