And again a kris!

kai · 29th October 2012, 11:34 PM

Hello Detlef,

Nice score again!

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Well it is not really round, but slightly squarish at the ganga.

I'm with Jose: This doesn't look like an archaic tang. Interesting variant though!

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That being said, I am wondering if this might not be early 1800s. Hard to pin down.

Regarding the blade, I'd not place this much earlier than mid-19th c., more likely second half of 19th c. IMVHO.

I believe that the blade originated in Sulu and that the silver inlay was added later, possibly after the blade ended up on Mindanao. Possibly Maguindanao work?

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 30th October 2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kai

Hello Detlef,

Nice score again!

I believe that the blade originated in Sulu and that the silver inlay was added later, possibly after the blade ended up on Mindanao. Possibly Maguindanao work?

Hello Kai,

thank you. Very interesting suggestion. So I am maybe correct with my first feeling.

Regards,

Detlef

kai · 30th October 2012, 10:17 AM

Yes, I have seen several of this type - need to dig out pics. Usually this design is obscured by the lower asang-asang crossing the elongated gape...

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 30th October 2012, 08:16 PM

Agree, the missing asang-asang let look this part of the blade different.

I am curious to see your pictures, they will give also a clue how the asang-asang and the handle attachments have to look.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 17th November 2012, 01:52 PM

Have received the kris and have to assert that the handle is badly demaged so I have given it to my friend who is a very good wood restorer to fix the break and give back the handle the front beak while I decide to let the back beak like this. The tang is indeed squarish at the base. Now I will polish the blade.

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 17th November 2012, 06:43 PM

Oh W W........I had no idea that the hilt was in such bad shape!

Sajen · 18th November 2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Oh W W........I had no idea that the hilt was in such bad shape!

I also haven't thought like this, it wasn't to seen by the pictures from the seller. When I opened the copper wire from the hilt the hilt fall in two parts. So i bring the hilt to my friend to see what he will be able to manage. In two or three weeks I will know more.

17th November 2012, 01:52 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,422	Have received the kris and have to assert that the handle is badly demaged so I have given it to my friend who is a very good wood restorer to fix the break and give back the handle the front beak while I decide to let the back beak like this. The tang is indeed squarish at the base. Now I will polish the blade. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

30th October 2012, 10:17 AM	#3
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Yes, I have seen several of this type - need to dig out pics. Usually this design is obscured by the lower asang-asang crossing the elongated gape... Regards, Kai

30th October 2012, 08:16 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,422	Agree, the missing asang-asang let look this part of the blade different. I am curious to see your pictures, they will give also a clue how the asang-asang and the handle attachments have to look. Regards, Detlef

17th November 2012, 06:43 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,346	Oh W W........I had no idea that the hilt was in such bad shape!