Armour?

Ahriman · 15th September 2005, 10:30 PM

Sorry, I mostly believe the museum which has the same nationality as the item... I understand that it's not a very good thing now but I still can't understand how can a museum be unsure about it's national arms... it'd be almost ok to make an error with foreign armour, but with their own...

I agree, and I mentioned that before, that they make sense as greaves - but I mentioned as well that a short one (like the one I posted before) was quite comfortable for me for fighting. It was, of course, a quite modern one (as I made it

) so most likely it resembles the originals only a bit. IF I had the chance to at least SEE originals personally from more angles and in full size then it's quite likely that I'd be convinced.

But as I don't have the chance, and it worked for me as a vambrace, I can only say that they can be either. Now, if you really want to convince me, send me a few originals so I can try them on! Unfortunatuly I won't be able to send them back...

(((I always like to learn new things... I have never thought of them as greaves before, and now, I'll be the first in Hungary who will use them. Thanks.

)))

Aqtai · 15th September 2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahriman

Sorry, I mostly believe the museum which has the same nationality as the item... I understand that it's not a very good thing now but I still can't understand how can a museum be unsure about it's national arms... it'd be almost ok to make an error with foreign armour, but with their own...

I agree, and I mentioned that before, that they make sense as greaves - but I mentioned as well that a short one (like the one I posted before) was quite comfortable for me for fighting. It was, of course, a quite modern one (as I made it

) so most likely it resembles the originals only a bit. IF I had the chance to at least SEE originals personally from more angles and in full size then it's quite likely that I'd be convinced.

But as I don't have the chance, and it worked for me as a vambrace, I can only say that they can be either. Now, if you really want to convince me, send me a few originals so I can try them on! Unfortunatuly I won't be able to send them back...

(((I always like to learn new things... I have never thought of them as greaves before, and now, I'll be the first in Hungary who will use them. Thanks.

)))

Most of these things are 350+ years old, people tend to forget how they they were used. Further more they've only been valuable antiques for the last 125 years or so, prior to that they were just seen as worthless pieces of obsolete military equipment, another reason to forget how to use them.

By the way this picture is from the Museo Stibbert in Florence, I think it's actually quite old, I have a feeling that things have been re-arranged there. Take a look at what the equestrian figure has on his legs.

Ahriman · 15th September 2005, 11:52 PM

I don't think that they'd remember using it - but I'd think that they have more written source on it.
And, you know, most of the hungarian kids I know can't even find the difference between a german and an italian harness, but they recognise a hussar breastplate at the first glance, because lots of our 16th century heroes wore those... I'm a bit tired to express myself good enough, but I think you can understand what I mean. Every nation has it's heroic stories, myths, etc, and there's always at least one hero whose arms and armour is mentioned.

Ahriman · 15th September 2005, 11:57 PM

Oh, and nice suits on that photo. I see what you mean... but here it looks strange to me, I don't know why. Size's good, and everything, and still... it may be simply the light, but it seems to me that the bigger curve is on the front.

Now, all this means that I have the same lower arm proportions as a 16th century turkis warriors CALF??? Because the main idea in thinking that my posted pic is a vambrace is that it'd fit my arm perfectly..?
BTW, did you explore the full rubens server? It has tons of pics on armour, unfortunatuly, most are europeans.

Aqtai · 19th September 2005, 02:52 PM

I had a look at the Ruben's server, there is a vast amount of stuff there, I'm quite impressed.

BTW on one of my google searches for pictures of oriental armour. I found this website. It has loads of photos of Russian krugs.
http://jeffmartin.com/Default.aspx?t...7c0%7c5%7c1%7c

Ahriman · 19th September 2005, 03:18 PM

Thank you, very nice pictures! Btw, that mailcoat...

HUGE links... Is it original? It's quite hard to beleive...

What did you search for? I've tried it in countless ways, but I just couldn't find these...

Aqtai · 19th September 2005, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahriman

Thank you, very nice pictures! Btw, that mailcoat...

HUGE links... Is it original? It's quite hard to beleive...

What did you search for? I've tried it in countless ways, but I just couldn't find these...

They are massive aren't they.

I guess I'll just have to add the Kremlin Armoury to my "List of Museums I must vist one day", it can join the Topkapi Museum, Askeri Muze, Hermitage Museum and Museo Stibbert.

I simply use the "images" option on Google and type in a variety of search terms, usually things like "Turkish armour", "Turkish armor", "Iranian helmets" etc.

Here's an example:
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=...=Search+Images

15th September 2005, 10:30 PM	#1
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	Sorry, I mostly believe the museum which has the same nationality as the item... I understand that it's not a very good thing now but I still can't understand how can a museum be unsure about it's national arms... it'd be almost ok to make an error with foreign armour, but with their own... I agree, and I mentioned that before, that they make sense as greaves - but I mentioned as well that a short one (like the one I posted before) was quite comfortable for me for fighting. It was, of course, a quite modern one (as I made it ) so most likely it resembles the originals only a bit. IF I had the chance to at least SEE originals personally from more angles and in full size then it's quite likely that I'd be convinced. But as I don't have the chance, and it worked for me as a vambrace, I can only say that they can be either. Now, if you really want to convince me, send me a few originals so I can try them on! Unfortunatuly I won't be able to send them back... (((I always like to learn new things... I have never thought of them as greaves before, and now, I'll be the first in Hungary who will use them. Thanks. )))

15th September 2005, 11:52 PM	#3
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	I don't think that they'd remember using it - but I'd think that they have more written source on it. And, you know, most of the hungarian kids I know can't even find the difference between a german and an italian harness, but they recognise a hussar breastplate at the first glance, because lots of our 16th century heroes wore those... I'm a bit tired to express myself good enough, but I think you can understand what I mean. Every nation has it's heroic stories, myths, etc, and there's always at least one hero whose arms and armour is mentioned.

15th September 2005, 11:57 PM	#4
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	Oh, and nice suits on that photo. I see what you mean... but here it looks strange to me, I don't know why. Size's good, and everything, and still... it may be simply the light, but it seems to me that the bigger curve is on the front. Now, all this means that I have the same lower arm proportions as a 16th century turkis warriors CALF??? Because the main idea in thinking that my posted pic is a vambrace is that it'd fit my arm perfectly..? BTW, did you explore the full rubens server? It has tons of pics on armour, unfortunatuly, most are europeans.

19th September 2005, 02:52 PM	#5
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	I had a look at the Ruben's server, there is a vast amount of stuff there, I'm quite impressed. BTW on one of my google searches for pictures of oriental armour. I found this website. It has loads of photos of Russian krugs. http://jeffmartin.com/Default.aspx?t...7c0%7c5%7c1%7c

19th September 2005, 03:18 PM	#6
Ahriman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 72	Thank you, very nice pictures! Btw, that mailcoat... HUGE links... Is it original? It's quite hard to beleive... What did you search for? I've tried it in countless ways, but I just couldn't find these...