id request marking on touareg sword

[Iain]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

The anchor component is interesting, but nothing that native artisans would likely copy, and why would someone in a French unit or organization be using a takouba?

My line of thinking was customized tourist bring back by a French service member... Could be totally off, but that just seems the most likely to me. Memento of a tour in the region perhaps...

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Iain

My line of thinking was customized tourist bring back by a French service member... Could be totally off, but that just seems the most likely to me. Memento of a tour in the region perhaps...

I missed seeing your post noting the military suggestion, and in that perspective seems quite plausible. It seems that the 'souvenier' industry in North Africa was pretty lucrative, not only in the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan post Omdurman, but naturally in the long standing French Sudan regions. We know that 'customizing' these bring back weapons was done for British troops in Egypt, Sudan and in Aden...so it makes sense that same might be done for French...now to figure what unit the acronym might represent.

All the best,
Jim

[Dom]

as some here ... like the "wonderful"
I'll use it, though ... at least ... everything is possible, only God knows

in South Algerian Sahara, among the Tuareg territories lived a time an hermit (1904-1916)
he was belong from the old French nobility, before being a monk, he was a French military officer
after twelve years spent in the wilderness of Sahara, one day a Tuareg had killed him

all this to say that, the monastic order that he had tried to create, had the same symbol;
- the cross overcoming a heart
his name; Charles Eugène de Foucauld de Pontbriand
he published under a pseudonym the first Tuareg-French dictionary.
The work of Charles de Foucauld is a reference to the knowledge of the Tuareg culture.

attention I do not necessarily connects the "Katuba" with the above, I note just some coincidences
- Place; Sahara
- Person; Touareg = takouba
- Symbol, worn by the Father eddy Sahara, the French army in these places, and what we saw on the sword

to each one to do his own scenario

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Dom

[Iain]

Originally Posted by Dom

as some here ... like the "wonderful"
I'll use it, though ... at least ... everything is possible, only God knows

in South Algerian Sahara, among the Tuareg territories lived a time an hermit (1904-1916)
he was belong from the old French nobility, before being a monk, he was a French military officer
after twelve years spent in the wilderness of Sahara, one day a Tuareg had killed him

all this to say that, the monastic order that he had tried to create, had the same symbol;
- the cross overcoming a heart
his name; Charles Eugène de Foucauld de Pontbriand
he published under a pseudonym the first Tuareg-French dictionary.
The work of Charles de Foucauld is a reference to the knowledge of the Tuareg culture.

attention I do not necessarily connects the "Katuba" with the above, I note just some coincidences
- Place; Sahara
- Person; Touareg = takouba
- Symbol, worn by the Father eddy Sahara, the French army in these places, and what we saw on the sword

to each one to do his own scenario

à +

Dom

Just saw your post Dom, very interesting stuff! Was he generally a well regarded and respected figure by the Tuareg? This is potentially a fascinating link to the symbol in the region.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Iain

Was he generally a well regarded and respected figure by the Tuareg?

yes for sure, otherwise, how to stay among Tuaregs during so many years
just one day, he crossed the way of an fanatic illuminated,
and has been the drama,
don't need more than one, unfortunately ...

the Tuargui society is a little bit particular
- women are unveiled, but men are ... veiled, at their puberty
- women are owner, for their lands, their flocks, and so
- men are no more than the "guards" for these assets
- it's the women who choose their husband, for wedding it's her, she made the demand ...
and the list is long ...

society very engaging, fascinating,
but now living completely out of our time
I know a little, to have attended them, during my professional life in South Sahara

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Dom

[Iain]

Hi Dom,

They are indeed a fascinating people. I have wanted to make a trip in the western Sahel regions but sadly the current geopolitical situation from Mali through Niger and North Nigeria make this not a great idea right now.

Some of the cultural traits you mentioned among the Tuareg, like the position of women, also occur in neighboring groups like the Fulani. Probably the most documented being the ritual for young men of the Wodaabe including elaborate face makeup.

Very interesting to hear you spent time in those regions. I always love hearing stories about these groups from people that traveled and met them.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Iain

I have wanted to make a trip in the western Sahel regions but sadly the current geopolitical situation from Mali through Niger and North Nigeria make this not a great idea right now.

Hello Iain
for present time, just forget it ...
previously, a war has to pass over, to clean all the dust over there ...
then, may be later ...
but not before at least 2 to 3 years, at the best

let's hope for the best, specially for the civilians, not engaged in political protestation, or religious fights,
but who any way, will have to pay the expensive price, to be there

all the best

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Dom