Strange twist core Moro _____???

Spunjer · 31st August 2012, 12:01 AM

hello michael,
yup, that's moro. i believe it's similar to this here newer version, tho not as pretty as yours. the local term escapes me at the moment (those darn Sulu terms, lol), but yeah, it's kinda like a barung on weight watchers. yours does looks like it was salvaged from a twistcore kris, but then again, what's the dimension of this beaut you got?
btw, your would be the double edge version, while mine would be the shandigan type...

Battara · 31st August 2012, 03:07 AM

Could it be a shadrigan/sipput barong? I don't know.

Or it could also be a type of Moro piece unaccounted for in the literature?

Interesting whatever it is.

VVV · 31st August 2012, 10:41 AM

Thanks for the reference pictures, Ron!

Mine is quite small - 22" with a 16" blade.
The width is 2 cm closest to the hilt and then reaches 3,3 cm.
On the sides it is like a barong, thick at the back and then an edge all the way on the business side.

It doesn't have any shandigan traits at the center of the blade etc.

Michael

Battara · 1st September 2012, 03:48 AM

If that is the case then it could be a sword type not in Cato (which many things are not in Cato).

Spunjer · 1st September 2012, 06:04 AM

so it's only 3.3cm wide at its widest??? mine is about 2". blade length is 19", total is 23.5".
i guess just like the barung, the older ones were shorter overall?
another thing that strikes me is, if it was a reworked kris, wouldn't the back be not as thick?

the hairy velay · 1st September 2012, 11:41 AM

I know nothing about this type of knife, but I know very well forge Damascus: first, seeing the tip of the blade was forged for this knife, I think, the sharp reports, go to the tip. The welds are not perfect original. Even reforged, damask does not split like that. I also think the heat was too high and the temper of the blade badly made: the edge is split.
For revelation, I use perclorure iron is used the acid to burn the computer card. Attention is very aggressive. We found here: http://www.conrad.fr/perchlorure_fer..._835908_221210

VVV · 1st September 2012, 06:48 PM

Thanks for the additional comments.
I will give it a new try with FeCl later this week, maybe in a stronger concentration than I have previously used.

Michael

Battara · 1st September 2012, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

i guess just like the barung, the older ones were shorter overall?
another thing that strikes me is, if it was a reworked kris, wouldn't the back be not as thick?

1. Yes my understanding is the that older barong were shorter.

2. I agree that a reworked kris would have a different profile.

Spunjer · 2nd September 2012, 02:48 PM

you know, the more i look at your piece, michael, the profile reminds me of an itak. yes the handle and scabbard are typically used on barungs, but i'm wondering if this particular piece was inspired by a non-moro sword.
there's just something about it i can't put my finger on...

31st August 2012, 12:01 AM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	hello michael, yup, that's moro. i believe it's similar to this here newer version, tho not as pretty as yours. the local term escapes me at the moment (those darn Sulu terms, lol), but yeah, it's kinda like a barung on weight watchers. yours does looks like it was salvaged from a twistcore kris, but then again, what's the dimension of this beaut you got? btw, your would be the double edge version, while mine would be the shandigan type... Attached Images

31st August 2012, 10:41 AM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks for the reference pictures, Ron! Mine is quite small - 22" with a 16" blade. The width is 2 cm closest to the hilt and then reaches 3,3 cm. On the sides it is like a barong, thick at the back and then an edge all the way on the business side. It doesn't have any shandigan traits at the center of the blade etc. Michael Attached Images

31st August 2012, 03:07 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Could it be a shadrigan/sipput barong? I don't know. Or it could also be a type of Moro piece unaccounted for in the literature? Interesting whatever it is.

1st September 2012, 03:48 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	If that is the case then it could be a sword type not in Cato (which many things are not in Cato).

1st September 2012, 06:04 AM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	so it's only 3.3cm wide at its widest??? mine is about 2". blade length is 19", total is 23.5". i guess just like the barung, the older ones were shorter overall? another thing that strikes me is, if it was a reworked kris, wouldn't the back be not as thick?

1st September 2012, 11:41 AM	#6
the hairy velay Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 20	I know nothing about this type of knife, but I know very well forge Damascus: first, seeing the tip of the blade was forged for this knife, I think, the sharp reports, go to the tip. The welds are not perfect original. Even reforged, damask does not split like that. I also think the heat was too high and the temper of the blade badly made: the edge is split. For revelation, I use perclorure iron is used the acid to burn the computer card. Attention is very aggressive. We found here: http://www.conrad.fr/perchlorure_fer..._835908_221210

1st September 2012, 06:48 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks for the additional comments. I will give it a new try with FeCl later this week, maybe in a stronger concentration than I have previously used. Michael

2nd September 2012, 02:48 PM	#9
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	you know, the more i look at your piece, michael, the profile reminds me of an itak. yes the handle and scabbard are typically used on barungs, but i'm wondering if this particular piece was inspired by a non-moro sword. there's just something about it i can't put my finger on...