New mandau

VANDOO · 19th August 2012, 05:51 AM

THE HANDLE ON YOUR EXAMPLE IS A TRADITIONAL FORM I HAVE SEEN BEFORE BUT THE CARVING ON THE SCABBARD IS ONE I HAVE NOT SEEN.
A CLOSE UP ON THE FORTE OF THE BLADE MAY BE HELPFUL FOR IDENTIFICATION IF IT HAS ANY DESIGN OR CARVING , IF ITS JUST RUST NO PICTURE IS NEEDED. A CLOSEUP OF THE WIRE WRAP COULD HELP TO DETRERMINE IF ITS NEW OR OLD AND A CLOSEUP OF THE SCABBARD CARVING MAY BE OF USE TOO. THE BLADE LOOKS TO BE A GOOD HEAVY ONE IN A PROPER MANDAU FORM.
NOT MUCH HELP BUT THEN I AM JUST A BEGINNER ONLY BEEN COLLECTING THEM FOR 30 YEARS OR SO

AS FAR AS DAYAK WEAPONS ARE CONCERNED THATS A BEGINNER UNLESS THAT IS YOUR ONLY INEREST AND YOU SEARCH TIRELESLY FOR INFORMATION.

T. Koch · 20th August 2012, 12:18 PM

Hi guys and thanks for your feedback!

Maurice, yes, this forum is packed with good threads on Bornean blades and I'm all over them already!

Your site is also really nice, and I've had much pleasure from Roth's text - thank you for making that available! I would also LOVE to receive a copy of your article - even though its in Dutch. - I don't know if you've ever talked to a Dane while drunk, but I can assure you that Danish and Dutch are actually quite understandable if in writing or if both parties speak slow.

- I have plenty of academic articles to trade with, let me know if you're looking for something in particular!

Vandoo, thank you for your input - I really appreciate it! I know what you mean and I think we have similar outlooks on life: I've been going to school for the last 24 years now and I feel as dumb as ever!

Regarding age, I'm really not an antique-nazi when it comes to my collection. I let my taste guide me and as long as a piece is made for actual use and for one of a thousand possible reasons tickels that soft spot in my belly, I don't really care how old it is.

This little guy is a charmer!

I'll for sure get some better pictures taken of the ricasso area and the brass windings. Would be great if the origin could be narrowed down to an area or culture.

Thanks again and all the best, - Thor

Maurice · 20th August 2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by T. Koch

Maurice, yes, this forum is packed with good threads on Bornean blades and I'm all over them already!

Your site is also really nice, and I've had much pleasure from Roth's text - thank you for making that available! I would also LOVE to receive a copy of your article - even though its in Dutch. - I don't know if you've ever talked to a Dane while drunk, but I can assure you that Danish and Dutch are actually quite understandable if in writing or if both parties speak slow.

- I have plenty of academic articles to trade with, let me know if you're looking for something in particular!

This forum has very good threads about Bornean blades! You can also see the differences between the authentic old ones, authentic newer ones, and the touristic ones, when scrolling through all threads.
I don't think I would be able understanding a drunk Dane and he wouldn't probably understand me, but I can forward you the article. (I did send you a pm with my emailaddress).
I don't need anything in return. But if you have some academic articles about Borneo, I would like to read them if you would be so kind sharing them with me.

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Originally Posted by T. Koch

I"ll for sure get some better pictures taken of the ricasso area and the brass windings. Would be great if the origin could be narrowed down to an area or culture.

Brass windings were used on old mandaus but also on new mandaus. It would be hard to determine the age on the brass wire (and almost impossible) as it could be cleaned also.
Your mandau is a mandau from Sarawak, probably Iban tribe in my opinion.

Rg,
Maurice

asomotif · 20th August 2012, 09:43 PM

Hello Thor,

Nice to see you presenting this mandau on the forum.
Once Maurice steps in any comment from my side becomes futile

Can you post a picture of the blade decoration near the handle ?
And maybe a picture of teh 2 faint fullers on the blade ?

Thanks and best regards,
Willem

Maurice · 20th August 2012, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Once Maurice steps in any comment from my side becomes futile

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Can you post a picture of the blade decoration near the handle ?
And maybe a picture of teh 2 faint fullers on the blade ?

Not futile to look at a close up of the fullers.
That could tell more about the quality of the blade....

David · 20th August 2012, 10:44 PM

A question for you mandau experts....is it a true mandau if it does not have a convex/concave blade? Does this one? From the photos i would say no.

asomotif · 21st August 2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by David

A question for you mandau experts....is it a true mandau if it does not have a convex/concave blade? Does this one? From the photos i would say no.

Hello David,
This blade is indeed not cancave/convex. So this is not a mandau
Both sides are the same. I believe there is a specific name for it parang "..

..".
I am not the best in this name game.

Maybe Maurice or Michael can assist.

Best regards,
Willem

19th August 2012, 05:51 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE HANDLE ON YOUR EXAMPLE IS A TRADITIONAL FORM I HAVE SEEN BEFORE BUT THE CARVING ON THE SCABBARD IS ONE I HAVE NOT SEEN. A CLOSE UP ON THE FORTE OF THE BLADE MAY BE HELPFUL FOR IDENTIFICATION IF IT HAS ANY DESIGN OR CARVING , IF ITS JUST RUST NO PICTURE IS NEEDED. A CLOSEUP OF THE WIRE WRAP COULD HELP TO DETRERMINE IF ITS NEW OR OLD AND A CLOSEUP OF THE SCABBARD CARVING MAY BE OF USE TOO. THE BLADE LOOKS TO BE A GOOD HEAVY ONE IN A PROPER MANDAU FORM. NOT MUCH HELP BUT THEN I AM JUST A BEGINNER ONLY BEEN COLLECTING THEM FOR 30 YEARS OR SO AS FAR AS DAYAK WEAPONS ARE CONCERNED THATS A BEGINNER UNLESS THAT IS YOUR ONLY INEREST AND YOU SEARCH TIRELESLY FOR INFORMATION.

20th August 2012, 12:18 PM	#2
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Hi guys and thanks for your feedback! Maurice, yes, this forum is packed with good threads on Bornean blades and I'm all over them already! Your site is also really nice, and I've had much pleasure from Roth's text - thank you for making that available! I would also LOVE to receive a copy of your article - even though its in Dutch. - I don't know if you've ever talked to a Dane while drunk, but I can assure you that Danish and Dutch are actually quite understandable if in writing or if both parties speak slow. - I have plenty of academic articles to trade with, let me know if you're looking for something in particular! Vandoo, thank you for your input - I really appreciate it! I know what you mean and I think we have similar outlooks on life: I've been going to school for the last 24 years now and I feel as dumb as ever! Regarding age, I'm really not an antique-nazi when it comes to my collection. I let my taste guide me and as long as a piece is made for actual use and for one of a thousand possible reasons tickels that soft spot in my belly, I don't really care how old it is. This little guy is a charmer! I'll for sure get some better pictures taken of the ricasso area and the brass windings. Would be great if the origin could be narrowed down to an area or culture. Thanks again and all the best, - Thor

20th August 2012, 09:43 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Hello Thor, Nice to see you presenting this mandau on the forum. Once Maurice steps in any comment from my side becomes futile Can you post a picture of the blade decoration near the handle ? And maybe a picture of teh 2 faint fullers on the blade ? Thanks and best regards, Willem

20th August 2012, 10:44 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	A question for you mandau experts....is it a true mandau if it does not have a convex/concave blade? Does this one? From the photos i would say no.