double axe indopersian for somment

Jim McDougall · 20th July 2012, 07:05 PM

I agree with Lofti, it would be quite unseemly for a Darvish to be carrying such an ostentaciously appointed item. While this seems very much like a Qajar 'revival' type axe, would it not be equally possible for it to have been in Mughal court context? In any case, it seems that Haider mentioned that dual crescent heads were not used in battle, but were often used in court settings by guards (I do not have the reference handy).

On another possibility, could this be Bektashi ?, which was Darvish order within Ottoman sphere and closely associated with Janissaries.

ariel · 20th July 2012, 11:03 PM

Whatever it is, it is not a fighting implement. Real fighting axes have heavy, triangle-configured, blades. Otherwise, they are totally useless as practical weapons. This one has a thin blade through and through.
My take: Qajar or even later, tourist item.

Timo Nieminen · 21st July 2012, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Whatever it is, it is not a fighting implement. Real fighting axes have heavy, triangle-configured, blades. Otherwise, they are totally useless as practical weapons.

Except for all the fighting axes that aren't made that way, which still managed to be practical weapons, like the Dane axe, bardiche, bullova, Bronze age Vietnamese axes, etc. Large 2-handed axes, especially, tend to be thin-bladed.

Tirri has a whole page of thin-bladed axes described as "war axes" (pg 333), followed by a few more pages with more thin-bladed battle-axes.

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Originally Posted by ariel

My take: Qajar or even later, tourist item.

Likely enough.

weapons 27 · 21st July 2012, 05:16 AM

Iron axe is similar to that which is pictured on the book islamic weapons page 231
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Timo Nieminen · 21st July 2012, 06:01 AM

Pg 221? Yes, very much the same style. Except for the lack of the spike. Late 18th century, so early Qajar?

Gavin Nugent · 21st July 2012, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Whatever it is, it is not a fighting implement. Real fighting axes have heavy, triangle-configured, blades. Otherwise, they are totally useless as practical weapons. This one has a thin blade through and through.
My take: Qajar or even later, tourist item.

I'd suggest there are likely tourist ones out there but you can't dismiss the effectiveness of these items, they all have distal taper even in not very thick near the haft. In armour or not the purcussion is going to hurt or kill.

Orez Perski also shows numerous example of both thick and thin on pages 348-356 of Persian Arms and Armour.

Gav

weapons 27 · 21st July 2012, 07:43 AM

all is in three party, iron axe is well a hatchet page 221 of islamic weapons!!!

20th July 2012, 07:05 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,585	I agree with Lofti, it would be quite unseemly for a Darvish to be carrying such an ostentaciously appointed item. While this seems very much like a Qajar 'revival' type axe, would it not be equally possible for it to have been in Mughal court context? In any case, it seems that Haider mentioned that dual crescent heads were not used in battle, but were often used in court settings by guards (I do not have the reference handy). On another possibility, could this be Bektashi ?, which was Darvish order within Ottoman sphere and closely associated with Janissaries. Last edited by Jim McDougall; 20th July 2012 at 07:17 PM.

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ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Whatever it is, it is not a fighting implement. Real fighting axes have heavy, triangle-configured, blades. Otherwise, they are totally useless as practical weapons. This one has a thin blade through and through. My take: Qajar or even later, tourist item.

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weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	Iron axe is similar to that which is pictured on the book islamic weapons page 231 Thank you all for your comments has weapons 27

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Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	Pg 221? Yes, very much the same style. Except for the lack of the spike. Late 18th century, so early Qajar?