double axe indopersian for somment

A.alnakkas · 19th July 2012, 11:20 PM

Doubt this one belonged to a dervish. Most if not all dervishes follow the Islamic concept of zuhd (to forsake wealth and extravagance) abit to the extreme.

My guess is that this is a ceremonial piece, maybe qajar

Dom · 20th July 2012, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

maybe qajar

Ramadan Karim my Bro.

- qajar ?? may be, but I doubt, coze they was very common to have any form of humans, or animals,
with at least some even very brief, mentions in Arabic
nothing of all that, also, could be more Indian at my point of view

à +

Dom

ps/ have a nice "suhur"

archer · 20th July 2012, 03:33 PM

Here's a photo of Dervish double axes from Arms and Armor From Iran, by
Khorasani. They are of a higher quality being ornately engraved and more functionally constructed. Archer

Dom · 20th July 2012, 04:20 PM

Hi "archer" ... well identified

Lotfi thought was correct

à +

Dom

A.alnakkas · 20th July 2012, 05:15 PM

Ramadhan kareem Dom!

I am not sure about the attribution of gold decorated qajar axes to dervish (which actually means faqir or poor person). Maybe the qajar items are modeled after faqir/darwish items but certainly the decoration is out of place.

Jim McDougall · 20th July 2012, 07:05 PM

I agree with Lofti, it would be quite unseemly for a Darvish to be carrying such an ostentaciously appointed item. While this seems very much like a Qajar 'revival' type axe, would it not be equally possible for it to have been in Mughal court context? In any case, it seems that Haider mentioned that dual crescent heads were not used in battle, but were often used in court settings by guards (I do not have the reference handy).

On another possibility, could this be Bektashi ?, which was Darvish order within Ottoman sphere and closely associated with Janissaries.

ariel · 20th July 2012, 11:03 PM

Whatever it is, it is not a fighting implement. Real fighting axes have heavy, triangle-configured, blades. Otherwise, they are totally useless as practical weapons. This one has a thin blade through and through.
My take: Qajar or even later, tourist item.

20th July 2012, 03:33 PM	#3
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Photo of Axes Here's a photo of Dervish double axes from Arms and Armor From Iran, by Khorasani. They are of a higher quality being ornately engraved and more functionally constructed. Archer Attached Images

20th July 2012, 07:05 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,585	I agree with Lofti, it would be quite unseemly for a Darvish to be carrying such an ostentaciously appointed item. While this seems very much like a Qajar 'revival' type axe, would it not be equally possible for it to have been in Mughal court context? In any case, it seems that Haider mentioned that dual crescent heads were not used in battle, but were often used in court settings by guards (I do not have the reference handy). On another possibility, could this be Bektashi ?, which was Darvish order within Ottoman sphere and closely associated with Janissaries. Last edited by Jim McDougall; 20th July 2012 at 07:17 PM.

19th July 2012, 11:20 PM	#1
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Doubt this one belonged to a dervish. Most if not all dervishes follow the Islamic concept of zuhd (to forsake wealth and extravagance) abit to the extreme. My guess is that this is a ceremonial piece, maybe qajar

20th July 2012, 04:20 PM	#4
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi "archer" ... well identified Lotfi thought was correct à + Dom

20th July 2012, 05:15 PM	#5
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Ramadhan kareem Dom! I am not sure about the attribution of gold decorated qajar axes to dervish (which actually means faqir or poor person). Maybe the qajar items are modeled after faqir/darwish items but certainly the decoration is out of place.

20th July 2012, 11:03 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Whatever it is, it is not a fighting implement. Real fighting axes have heavy, triangle-configured, blades. Otherwise, they are totally useless as practical weapons. This one has a thin blade through and through. My take: Qajar or even later, tourist item.