Anyone recognizeStamps on Cinquedea

[longfellow]

I was wondering if anyone might know the marks - stamps - on this blade.

The piece is labeled a 'cinqedea', ca.1500, Italian. The overall length is 29 3/4", the blade length is 23 1/4" and the width at the guard is 4 1/4".

ID on the markings would be great and comments on the piece would be welcome.

It has been hanging on the wall of my dad's livingroom for 40 yrs. or so and my mom is now 'cleaning house' but my dad doesn't have a memory anymore and didn't make notes so I don't really have any information on it other than it came from an estate sale in the Santa Barbara (CA) area many years ago.

[Dmitry]

Originally Posted by longfellow

ID on the markings would be great and comments on the piece would be welcome.

It would not surprise me if this was a replica.
Please post the photo of the whole piece.

[longfellow]

Originally Posted by Dmitry

It would not surprise me if this was a replica.
Please post the photo of the whole piece.

Personally, it would surprise if it wasn't a replica. Not sure I could handle the thought of how much a real one might be worth.

Here's an 'overall' of the piece - if there is something or an angle you want a shot of, please let me know.

[cornelistromp]

yes it is nice however it is not an original cinquedea.
it is a 19thC or later reproduction.

best,

[longfellow]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

yes it is nice however it is not an original cinquedea.
it is a 19thC or later reproduction.

best,

Thank you for your suggestion of when the piece was made. Like I said, it would surprise me if it wasn't a reproduction.

However, back to my original question - does any one happen to know what the stamps on the blade are? or are for?

They aren't 'holes' (they don't go all the way through), but deep stamps in the blade. Are they decoration? or was somebody bored that day? or indication of a maker or city? or what? Does anybody have any idea?

I haven't been able to find enough pieces that aren't the fantasy toys or modern version replicas to be able to determine what the marks are.

[Norman McCormick]

Hi Longfellow,
I would suggest that these stamps are part and parcel of the makers attempt to give the piece a more "authentic" medieval feel. A great many authentic old pieces have makers marks, religious devices, "lucky" marks etc. stamped or engraved into them and I think the marks on your dagger are there to give a more historic feel to the piece. In the 19thC a lot of reproductions were made to fill the great houses of the day. Some of those were of good quality being manufactured with careful attention detail so much so that it is not unusual to find these Victorian 'repros' being touted as the real thing from some dealers and auction houses. Hope this is of some help.
Regards,
Norman.

[Dmitry]

Originally Posted by longfellow

Personally, it would surprise if it wasn't a replica.

Good!
This piece is so obviously "not real" that I was trying to be as indirect as possible, by using castrated language, so as not to offend anyone's sensibilities. I hope the moderating team appreciates my effort!