Horn kris hilts

Sajen · 6th May 2012, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hello Detlef,

Based on these pictures, I would guess the first 2 from java to be wood. (not horn)
Best regards,
Willem

Hello Willem,

I every time was sure about the material but when I look at the pictures I get doubts. Will test them and post the result here.

Regards,

Detlef

Jean · 7th May 2012, 09:35 AM

Some of the hilts shown appear recently made.
Attached are 3 specimens from my collection and made from black horn, 2 from Sumatra and one from Bali (with ivory inserts).
Regards

Sajen · 7th May 2012, 06:36 PM

Willem,

I have tested both Java hilts and both are from horn, I have burned small pieces from the pesi hole and the smell was typical.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 7th May 2012, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Some of the hilts shown appear recently made.
Regards

Hello Jean,

when you mean amongst others my Bali hilt you are wrong. When I bought it there was still a corroded broken piece of a pesi and hair inside the pesi hole and I need some time to get all out. From outside it have had a lot of dirt patina. Since the hilt is from horn I have cleaned it with water and soap.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 7th May 2012, 07:00 PM

Here a small Lampung hilt set together from two pieces of horn.

Marcokeris · 8th May 2012, 12:31 PM

In my experience when horn is very old it seems like wood. The testing by buning pin is really good to go away any doubts.
IMO Horn hilts are very common (albino horn a little less)
Very very very difficult to find is rhino horn, also shell and coral are difficult but not as rhino

Jean · 8th May 2012, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Very very very difficult to find is rhino horn, also shell and coral are difficult but not as rhino

The hilt shown on the picture is deemed to be made from rhino horn but I am not fully sure about it although I am a little familiar with the materials which was also used on old khanjars and jambiyas. I did not perform the pin test but assume that it will be positive (burning smell) but not specific. Any opinion?

Regards

Marcokeris · 8th May 2012, 07:58 PM

Jean congraturation

you are very lucky! It seems (from the little circles) real rhino!!

7th May 2012, 09:35 AM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Some of the hilts shown appear recently made. Attached are 3 specimens from my collection and made from black horn, 2 from Sumatra and one from Bali (with ivory inserts). Regards Attached Images

7th May 2012, 07:00 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Here a small Lampung hilt set together from two pieces of horn. Attached Images

7th May 2012, 06:36 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Willem, I have tested both Java hilts and both are from horn, I have burned small pieces from the pesi hole and the smell was typical. Regards, Detlef

8th May 2012, 12:31 PM	#6
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	In my experience when horn is very old it seems like wood. The testing by buning pin is really good to go away any doubts. IMO Horn hilts are very common (albino horn a little less) Very very very difficult to find is rhino horn, also shell and coral are difficult but not as rhino

8th May 2012, 07:58 PM	#8
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Jean congraturation you are very lucky! It seems (from the little circles) real rhino!!