Chieftain keris

[henri]

Bonjour Jean ( eh oui ! un peu francais moi ausi ! )
Did you mean this blade is made of alloy nickel iron and iron and
could show a pamor after waranga treatment ?
I haven t tried waranga thinking the peninsular origin of this blade
didn t allow this kind of alloy .
This one for me doesn t look like a bugis .

Henri

[Sajen]

Yes, it is a pamor blade. A lot of collectors don't like to etch (warangan) Bugis and Malay blades.

Regards,

Detlef

[David]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Yes, it is a pamor blade. A lot of collectors don't like to etch (warangan) Bugis and Malay blades.

Yes, this is definitely a pamor blade and i'd say this blade certainly shows Bugis influence. As for staining (warangan), i am still unclear as to whether leaving Bugis and Malay blades unstained is a matter of tradition or simply contemporary collector's tastes. I have seen nothing definitive on the actual tradition. I have seen them treated both ways. My personal inclination is to stain a blade that has a nice pattern to show. Malay blades are less likely to have a pamor, but some Bugis style blades like yours show beautiful pattern and it seems a shame not to allow them to present themselves clearly.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, this is definitely a pamor blade and i'd say this blade certainly shows Bugis influence. As for staining (warangan), i am still unclear as to whether leaving Bugis and Malay blades unstained is a matter of tradition or simply contemporary collector's tastes. I have seen nothing definitive on the actual tradition. I have seen them treated both ways. My personal inclination is to stain a blade that has a nice pattern to show. Malay blades are less likely to have a pamor, but some Bugis style blades like yours show beautiful pattern and it seems a shame not to allow them to present themselves clearly.

Agree complete with you David!!

[Jean]

I also fully agree with David.
Regards

[henri]

All right . Will etch and post some photos soon .
Thank you all for your inputs . I am still a bit confused for the origin : Bugis or Keris selit peninsular but I will do some homework to get a reply .
Henri

[David]

Originally Posted by henri

All right . Will etch and post some photos soon .
Thank you all for your inputs . I am still a bit confused for the origin : Bugis or Keris selit peninsular but I will do some homework to get a reply .
Henri

Henri, the Bugis people were all over the archipelago. Say a keris has Bugis origin is therefore not a statement of origin. The Bugis are in Sulawesi, Sumatra and on the Peninsula.