variation of tok chu

[keriswarisanpattani]

Originally Posted by David

You will have to forgive me KWP, but this is the very first time i have ever heard such a thing. Not that Tok Chu didn't have any other styles, that goes without saying, just that any style perceived to have once been made by him would be referred to by his name. Most famous mpus or pandai that are honored by having a keris dhapur named after them generally only get one. I have no doubt that this is what you believe or you wouldn't be this insistent, but if truly most Kelantanese keris lovers believe this i would have thought it would have been brought up before. Can someone please tell me when Tok Chu was supposed to have lived?
Gustav, your example is beautiful. Until now i would have assumed it to be a straight carita keris...

dear dave,

no problem. since everybody have their own views base on what they have learnt , research etc. No doubt that tok chu keris famous with one type of keris which is broad, straight etc. But as a famous mpus , i can't believe he's only produce one type of keris during his time. Base on paperwork been discussed tok chu lived circa 1750++ or may be earlier. for detail can referred to ahmed Zaini in kelantan ...on characteristics of tok chu, he can explain better . not saying his 100% right but who knows something new can be found.

[David]

Originally Posted by keriswarisanpattani

But as a famous mpus , i can't believe he's only produce one type of keris during his time.

Thanks for the date...i am not questioning whether Tok Chu produced other forms of keris during his lifetime. I would be surprised if he didn't. I am just wondering if it is a good idea to refer to ALL of those possible different styles as "Keris Tok Chu". Seems like it can only lead to confusion. I am also uncertain that it is possible to know with any reliability which of these forms the Pandai had a hand in developing. Given the timeline of his activity is there any surviving documentation that would show that Tok Chu was responsible for these dhapurs? Does anything like a pakem exist for this era and area?

[khalifah muda]

Originally Posted by David

Thanks for the date...i am not questioning whether Tok Chu produced other forms of keris during his lifetime. I would be surprised if he didn't. I am just wondering if it is a good idea to refer to ALL of those possible different styles as "Keris Tok Chu". Seems like it can only lead to confusion. I am also uncertain that it is possible to know with any reliability which of these forms the Pandai had a hand in developing. Given the timeline of his activity is there any surviving documentation that would show that Tok Chu was responsible for these dhapurs? Does anything like a pakem exist for this era and area?

Unfortunately, there's no surviving documentation to my knowledge. It is still a legend.