British naval sword m1827

Norman McCormick · 4th February 2012, 08:51 PM

Hi Alexander,
The letters are for Gieves who were outfitters and not makers and IF the sword is correct probably supplied after 1916. British military swords came in different degrees of quality and in times of war when there would have been a great demand for swords quality may have sufffered. There should be a cartouche on the blade for the monarch in this case probably GRV but maybe GRVI or ERII as Gieves were in business into the 1960's, please have a look at the blade and see if any of these are on it. There is always the possibility of the guard having been damaged and subsequently re-gilded giving the impression of substandard casting. The sword may be a repro but I can't remember seeing one with Gieves and/or an S proof mark but there is always a first time! Hope this is of some help.
Regards,
Norman.

Evgeny_K · 6th February 2012, 08:37 AM

This is M1846 naval sword, not M1827.
I don't think that it could be a reproduction.

asomotif · 6th February 2012, 12:54 PM

I am with Norman and Evgeny.

Not a repro, but just an affordable alternative as officers had to buy their own sword.

The royal Cypher on the blade would be nice to see in order date the sword.
Also a picture of the handle and of the scabbard mountings would give some more insight in the overall quality of this sword.

Best regards,
Willem

thinreadline · 7th February 2012, 09:14 AM

This pattern of naval sword has been heavily reproduced in India and sold via World Wide Arms, however, whether any of them have the Gieves name on them I so not know, though I have seen them with a variety of makers / retailers on the blade. The crown is a Kings crown and so this puports to be post 1902 . It must also therefore be ( if genuine ) pre 1953. Gieves changed its name to Gieves & Hawkes in 1974 . The repro swords ( & I am not saying this is a repro ) were never supplied with a sword knot, but World Wide Arms have been selling genuine naval sword knots which they acquired from Wilkinsons when they closed down.

Alexander · 11th February 2012, 06:56 PM

I send additional photos.

broadaxe · 11th February 2012, 07:35 PM

I stand correct, much better photos show good details. King George the 5th emblem (reignd 1910-1936), this is a genuine sword.

fernando · 11th February 2012, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadaxe

I stand correct, much better photos show good details. King George the 5th emblem (reignd 1910-1936), this is a genuine sword.

Amen

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.... with owner's name and everything

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11th February 2012, 06:56 PM	#5
Alexander Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Russia, Moscow. Posts: 48	I send additional photos. Attached Images

4th February 2012, 08:51 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,646	Hi Alexander, The letters are for Gieves who were outfitters and not makers and IF the sword is correct probably supplied after 1916. British military swords came in different degrees of quality and in times of war when there would have been a great demand for swords quality may have sufffered. There should be a cartouche on the blade for the monarch in this case probably GRV but maybe GRVI or ERII as Gieves were in business into the 1960's, please have a look at the blade and see if any of these are on it. There is always the possibility of the guard having been damaged and subsequently re-gilded giving the impression of substandard casting. The sword may be a repro but I can't remember seeing one with Gieves and/or an S proof mark but there is always a first time! Hope this is of some help. Regards, Norman.

6th February 2012, 08:37 AM	#2
Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 216	This is M1846 naval sword, not M1827. I don't think that it could be a reproduction.

6th February 2012, 12:54 PM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,237	I am with Norman and Evgeny. Not a repro, but just an affordable alternative as officers had to buy their own sword. The royal Cypher on the blade would be nice to see in order date the sword. Also a picture of the handle and of the scabbard mountings would give some more insight in the overall quality of this sword. Best regards, Willem

7th February 2012, 09:14 AM	#4
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	This pattern of naval sword has been heavily reproduced in India and sold via World Wide Arms, however, whether any of them have the Gieves name on them I so not know, though I have seen them with a variety of makers / retailers on the blade. The crown is a Kings crown and so this puports to be post 1902 . It must also therefore be ( if genuine ) pre 1953. Gieves changed its name to Gieves & Hawkes in 1974 . The repro swords ( & I am not saying this is a repro ) were never supplied with a sword knot, but World Wide Arms have been selling genuine naval sword knots which they acquired from Wilkinsons when they closed down.

11th February 2012, 07:35 PM	#6
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	I stand correct, much better photos show good details. King George the 5th emblem (reignd 1910-1936), this is a genuine sword.