Aura Photographic on Kris

Tim Simmons · 14th August 2005, 06:25 PM

Hello Mr Sukakarya,
Those events sound like a most fantastic spectecle, I would really like to see the scary vampires

. Do the whole family attend these events? The vampire one must give everyone a real shiver. If only I had the money to travel

. I understand magic even if I do not believe it like practitioners or supplicates. I have a small collection of objects mainly from Africa that are used for divination and other magical religious practises. I like these more than my weapons. Some more information about the vampire thing would be nice. Tim

nechesh · 14th August 2005, 09:34 PM

Hey Tim, i'm not sure if you are just being sarcastic or you maybe didn't really understand the remark about vampires, but just incase you were confused, there is no vampire Barong Dance.

Skepticism is a healthy thing as long as it doesn't get in the way of the open mind. In fact i practice it rather "religiously", if you will. However, i have also studied Magick and mysticism for more than 25yrs. and can tell you that i have personally experienced many things that can not be explained by present scientific method. I do, however, consider these experiences to be completely natural. Understanding magick goes far beyond owning a small collection of African divination and magickal items no matter how highly you prize the collection. Understanding comes through practice, not skeptical observance. If you wish to continue to make light of other peoples spiritual beliefs, that's fine. People often make fun of the things they don't understand. What ever makes you comfortable, dude.

marto suwignyo · 14th August 2005, 09:50 PM

Fred Eiseman is an American who lived in a village situation in Bali for many years. His experience and perspective of Balinese life is from the inside, looking out, not from the outside, looking in. Before coming to any conclusions in respect of the percieved efforts of participants in Barong dances attempts to stab themselves, I suggest that a reading of Fred Eiseman`s "Sekala and Niskala" might lift the fog just a little.

On the other hand:- in about 1970 in a village near Kuta I saw a non-Balinese person thrown from the top of a six foot wall, where he was sitting, by an invisible force because he had not heeded warnings to keep his head lower than the head of Rangda. Nobody was anywhere near this person, who was sitting on the top of a wall around the courtyard where the dance was being performed. He had been asked several times by local people to move and sit with everybody else. He would not. When Rangda entered the dance area he was projected with considerable force from the top of the wall.

14th August 2005, 06:25 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,894	Hello Mr Sukakarya, Those events sound like a most fantastic spectecle, I would really like to see the scary vampires . Do the whole family attend these events? The vampire one must give everyone a real shiver. If only I had the money to travel . I understand magic even if I do not believe it like practitioners or supplicates. I have a small collection of objects mainly from Africa that are used for divination and other magical religious practises. I like these more than my weapons. Some more information about the vampire thing would be nice. Tim

14th August 2005, 09:34 PM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hey Tim, i'm not sure if you are just being sarcastic or you maybe didn't really understand the remark about vampires, but just incase you were confused, there is no vampire Barong Dance. Skepticism is a healthy thing as long as it doesn't get in the way of the open mind. In fact i practice it rather "religiously", if you will. However, i have also studied Magick and mysticism for more than 25yrs. and can tell you that i have personally experienced many things that can not be explained by present scientific method. I do, however, consider these experiences to be completely natural. Understanding magick goes far beyond owning a small collection of African divination and magickal items no matter how highly you prize the collection. Understanding comes through practice, not skeptical observance. If you wish to continue to make light of other peoples spiritual beliefs, that's fine. People often make fun of the things they don't understand. What ever makes you comfortable, dude.

14th August 2005, 09:50 PM	#3
marto suwignyo Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 52	Fred Eiseman is an American who lived in a village situation in Bali for many years. His experience and perspective of Balinese life is from the inside, looking out, not from the outside, looking in. Before coming to any conclusions in respect of the percieved efforts of participants in Barong dances attempts to stab themselves, I suggest that a reading of Fred Eiseman`s "Sekala and Niskala" might lift the fog just a little. On the other hand:- in about 1970 in a village near Kuta I saw a non-Balinese person thrown from the top of a six foot wall, where he was sitting, by an invisible force because he had not heeded warnings to keep his head lower than the head of Rangda. Nobody was anywhere near this person, who was sitting on the top of a wall around the courtyard where the dance was being performed. He had been asked several times by local people to move and sit with everybody else. He would not. When Rangda entered the dance area he was projected with considerable force from the top of the wall.