Another wilah for identification.

David · 4th January 2012, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

A village blade IMO but I can be wrong, other opinions are welcome.

I dare say that the great (and i do mean GREAT

) majority of the blades we show here are village work. I doubt Harley had any greater expectation...

Harley · 4th January 2012, 08:48 PM

No doubt here David

, those blades are all simple, and even if i can't tell anything about pamor or dapur, but i can recognize the nice blades that i see in some of the old topic's, it's a hole different world.
I said it earlier, for me it is important to save some of the old but simple blades,
I think they deserve that.
But i am glad that Jean & Detlef gave there opinion, because i don't have a clue

regards,
Ben

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2012, 09:01 PM

Harley, it doesn't matter whether you dress it in Solo or Jogja scabbard and hilt.

The blades that are found in both types of dress can come from a wide variety of places, including Bali and Sulawesi.

Once a blade from whatever geographic location goes into dress from another location, it becomes that type of keris. This is the reason we tend to describe a complete keris by reference first to its dress, and then to its blade origin or tangguh.

Personally, I would not waste time in redressing this keris. The scabbard and hilt you have shown are more than adequate for this blade. As already advised, this is a keris of very ordinary quality, it lacks characteristics that allow it to be identified as from any specific area. Its just a keris, and can be dressed in almost any way that pleases you, however, the time spent in doing this would be purely for your own amusement.

Blades that come from anywhere in Jawa, and some places outside Jawa, can look very similar, unless they are old and good blades that follow a particular line of design , usually associated with a palace (kraton).

For ordinary, common or garden quality blades, many varying characteristics can be incorporated into the one blade, and quality of workmanship can vary from appalling to extremely high, however, since no established pattern or line of design is being followed, about all we can say is that one of these keris is from Jawa, and even then, that is not always so easy, nor so correct.

Harley · 4th January 2012, 09:25 PM

Thanks for the explanation Mr.Maisey, i am going to clean it, and try to wash it, and put it back in his own scabbard.

I think i better can make a picture of last 5 wilah's together, before polluting the forum, if there is one recognizable or more interesting, i can make a better picture of that one.

regards,
Ben

Harley · 4th January 2012, 09:37 PM

Here they are, i think the 3 on the left are more recent.

regards,
Ben

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2012, 11:41 PM

Harley, were I you, I'd do one full length and one one close-up of of sorsoran of all these blades.

After seeing this, we may ask for one or more specific pics of a blade, but what I have just suggested is the bare minimum with which to begin a question.

I would not do the photos in the way you are doing them, but rather try to do them in open shade, by natural light, and assuming you are in the northern hemisphere, with the light coming from the south.

With any camera that has IS, you can get better than OK pics in terrible light.

Incidentally, call me Alan, if you you would.

Harley · 5th January 2012, 12:16 AM

I get your point Alan,this picture isn't good, David had given me the advise to do one at a time in a new topic, but i feel a little uncomfortable with that.
So i shall try to make better pictures in daylight, and do one by one with close ups, and place them in this topic.
I do feel a kind of stupid, because i don't know what IS means

regards,
Ben

David · 5th January 2012, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

I think i better can make a picture of last 5 wilah's together, before polluting the forum, if there is one recognizable or more interesting, i can make a better picture of that one.

Ben, you are hardly "polluting" the forum with these keris. As i previously stated, the large majority of keris that most of us collect are village pieces. These, as Alan states, come in all different levels of quality from appalling to excellent. I would also state that the simplicity of a dhapur is not an indication of quality. So please have no reservations about posting here. It is what the forum is for and you don't need to feel as if you need to have something exceedingly fine or unusual to warrant posting it.

A. G. Maisey · 5th January 2012, 12:58 AM

IS is "image stabilisation"

Its some new sort of electronic trickery whereby the image produced by a camera using very slow shutter speed still comes out nice and sharp.

Effectively it means that you can take pics on auto setting in really bad light and still get halfway decent images.

Don't understand how it works, but it does.

David · 5th January 2012, 01:35 AM

Off topic Alan, but just in case you are truly interested...personally i prefer to consider it magic....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_stabilization

A. G. Maisey · 5th January 2012, 02:11 AM

Thanks David.

Yeah, its magic.

I don't really have any interest in it, I was only trying to answer Harley's question.

4th January 2012, 09:37 PM	#5
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Here they are, i think the 3 on the left are more recent. regards, Ben Attached Images

4th January 2012, 08:48 PM	#2
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	No doubt here David , those blades are all simple, and even if i can't tell anything about pamor or dapur, but i can recognize the nice blades that i see in some of the old topic's, it's a hole different world. I said it earlier, for me it is important to save some of the old but simple blades, I think they deserve that. But i am glad that Jean & Detlef gave there opinion, because i don't have a clue regards, Ben

4th January 2012, 09:01 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Harley, it doesn't matter whether you dress it in Solo or Jogja scabbard and hilt. The blades that are found in both types of dress can come from a wide variety of places, including Bali and Sulawesi. Once a blade from whatever geographic location goes into dress from another location, it becomes that type of keris. This is the reason we tend to describe a complete keris by reference first to its dress, and then to its blade origin or tangguh. Personally, I would not waste time in redressing this keris. The scabbard and hilt you have shown are more than adequate for this blade. As already advised, this is a keris of very ordinary quality, it lacks characteristics that allow it to be identified as from any specific area. Its just a keris, and can be dressed in almost any way that pleases you, however, the time spent in doing this would be purely for your own amusement. Blades that come from anywhere in Jawa, and some places outside Jawa, can look very similar, unless they are old and good blades that follow a particular line of design , usually associated with a palace (kraton). For ordinary, common or garden quality blades, many varying characteristics can be incorporated into the one blade, and quality of workmanship can vary from appalling to extremely high, however, since no established pattern or line of design is being followed, about all we can say is that one of these keris is from Jawa, and even then, that is not always so easy, nor so correct.

4th January 2012, 09:25 PM	#4
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Thanks for the explanation Mr.Maisey, i am going to clean it, and try to wash it, and put it back in his own scabbard. I think i better can make a picture of last 5 wilah's together, before polluting the forum, if there is one recognizable or more interesting, i can make a better picture of that one. regards, Ben

4th January 2012, 11:41 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Harley, were I you, I'd do one full length and one one close-up of of sorsoran of all these blades. After seeing this, we may ask for one or more specific pics of a blade, but what I have just suggested is the bare minimum with which to begin a question. I would not do the photos in the way you are doing them, but rather try to do them in open shade, by natural light, and assuming you are in the northern hemisphere, with the light coming from the south. With any camera that has IS, you can get better than OK pics in terrible light. Incidentally, call me Alan, if you you would.

5th January 2012, 12:16 AM	#7
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	I get your point Alan,this picture isn't good, David had given me the advise to do one at a time in a new topic, but i feel a little uncomfortable with that. So i shall try to make better pictures in daylight, and do one by one with close ups, and place them in this topic. I do feel a kind of stupid, because i don't know what IS means regards, Ben

5th January 2012, 12:58 AM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	IS is "image stabilisation" Its some new sort of electronic trickery whereby the image produced by a camera using very slow shutter speed still comes out nice and sharp. Effectively it means that you can take pics on auto setting in really bad light and still get halfway decent images. Don't understand how it works, but it does.

5th January 2012, 01:35 AM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Off topic Alan, but just in case you are truly interested...personally i prefer to consider it magic.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_stabilization

5th January 2012, 02:11 AM	#11
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Thanks David. Yeah, its magic. I don't really have any interest in it, I was only trying to answer Harley's question.