Please help to identify these two blades

kahnjar1 · 22nd December 2011, 04:48 PM

I agree that the dagger is likely from Ethiopia, and not Middle East.
Regards Stu

roanoa · 26th December 2011, 05:49 AM

Hi. The dagger is for sure Ethiopian. They are still being sold in the MERCATO in Addis Abeba. On a different note: I am always puzzled when I hear Ethiopia being referred to as Noth Africa..... This would imply that, for example, Ghana , Nigeria, Cameroon and Somalia are to be considered North African countries?

kronckew · 26th December 2011, 08:33 AM

yup, all north of the equator, those countries are in the northern hemisphere, hence northern africa. ...southern africa is south of the equator. South Africa is, of course, also in south africa

if the equator passes thru the country, complexicating the above daffynition, they are called equitorial africa.

roanoa · 26th December 2011, 04:56 PM

Thank you for the clarification. Though it goes against everything I ever learned in my Geography classes and the definition of North Africa by the United Nations.

kronckew · 26th December 2011, 05:13 PM

i was just using logic.

something the UN occasionally lacks. i rarely believe what the UN says, taking their stuff with a grain of salt. their definitions and boundaries tend to be political rather than logical or factual.

the darker green are the UN defined, the lighter green are designated geographical.

this is what i was referring to:

arbitrary modern political boundaries rarely reflect the ethnographical ones.

anyway, feel free to use your own definitions if it helps you visualize things.

Martin Lubojacky · 2nd January 2012, 07:20 PM

Just for comparision of handles - 4 older knives from the middle of Ethiopia (one of them small eating knife) and one Syrian dagger.
The Ethiopian dagger is very new item and roughly done work. On the other side, as colleagues said, the Shi Havu is nice, old.
Regards,
Martin

broadaxe · 8th January 2012, 06:12 PM

Geographically speaking, North Africa includes all the countries along the Mediterranean coast. Ethiopea is definitely NOT. It belongs to the Horn of Africa.

26th December 2011, 05:13 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	i was just using logic. something the UN occasionally lacks. i rarely believe what the UN says, taking their stuff with a grain of salt. their definitions and boundaries tend to be political rather than logical or factual. the darker green are the UN defined, the lighter green are designated geographical. this is what i was referring to: arbitrary modern political boundaries rarely reflect the ethnographical ones. anyway, feel free to use your own definitions if it helps you visualize things. Last edited by kronckew; 26th December 2011 at 05:34 PM.

2nd January 2012, 07:20 PM	#6
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 843	Just for comparision of handles - 4 older knives from the middle of Ethiopia (one of them small eating knife) and one Syrian dagger. The Ethiopian dagger is very new item and roughly done work. On the other side, as colleagues said, the Shi Havu is nice, old. Regards, Martin Attached Images

22nd December 2011, 04:48 PM	#1
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,789	I agree that the dagger is likely from Ethiopia, and not Middle East. Regards Stu

26th December 2011, 05:49 AM	#2
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 241	Hi. The dagger is for sure Ethiopian. They are still being sold in the MERCATO in Addis Abeba. On a different note: I am always puzzled when I hear Ethiopia being referred to as Noth Africa..... This would imply that, for example, Ghana , Nigeria, Cameroon and Somalia are to be considered North African countries?

26th December 2011, 08:33 AM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	yup, all north of the equator, those countries are in the northern hemisphere, hence northern africa. ...southern africa is south of the equator. South Africa is, of course, also in south africa if the equator passes thru the country, complexicating the above daffynition, they are called equitorial africa.

26th December 2011, 04:56 PM	#4
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 241	Thank you for the clarification. Though it goes against everything I ever learned in my Geography classes and the definition of North Africa by the United Nations.

8th January 2012, 06:12 PM	#7
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Geographically speaking, North Africa includes all the countries along the Mediterranean coast. Ethiopea is definitely NOT. It belongs to the Horn of Africa.