Philippine Dagger?

Ian · 9th August 2005, 10:45 AM

Hi Robert:

I agree with the "Spanish Colonial" attribution, probably late 19th or early 20th C. based on other similar examples. Hard to say whether Mexican or Filipino. There was considerable cultural exchange between the two colonial centers up to the end of the 19th C.

Ian.

Robert · 9th August 2005, 07:29 PM

Ian,
Thank you. Could you please tell me where I might be able to see other examples of this style of dagger? Thanks again.

Robert

Ian · 9th August 2005, 11:28 PM

Sure Robert.

There are a couple of older threads you may want to check out. These still have their pictures intact.

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000961.html

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001816.html

The style of your knife is similar to those emerging from Albacete in Spain during the mid- to late-19th C. Marc is our resident authority on this subject and provided insights into this style in one of those threads. It was a popular style and seems to have spread widely through the Spanish Colonial Empire. Whether the style originated in Albacete is debatable, but there appears to have been many knives from that region in the style.

Ian.

Robert · 10th August 2005, 03:42 AM

Ian,
I knew I could count on you. This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. Being relatively new here I had no idea this kind of dagger had been dicussed before. Thank you again.

Robert

Ian · 10th August 2005, 06:30 AM

Pleased to be able to help a little, Robert.

Robert · 2nd February 2008, 01:15 AM

This is another post that I thought I'd bring back up to see if there are any more thoughts as to this daggers country of origin. The brass fittings have a very well done lead solder seem. I think it is very possibly Philippine because of this and the style of the carving but would like to know what the experts think. Here are a few new pictures that will hopefully help in it's identification. There is some engraving on the ferrel behind the guard that can be seen in some of the pictures. Too bad that there was no sheath with this when I found it. I have one that fits it very well but did not show it as it could be very misleading when trying to identify the daggers country of origin.

Robert

Battara · 2nd February 2008, 09:23 PM

I'm more in the Mexico camp. As Ian says it could be PI, but the style of carving and the quillons point more 19th century Mexico to me.

2nd February 2008, 01:15 AM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	This is another post that I thought I'd bring back up to see if there are any more thoughts as to this daggers country of origin. The brass fittings have a very well done lead solder seem. I think it is very possibly Philippine because of this and the style of the carving but would like to know what the experts think. Here are a few new pictures that will hopefully help in it's identification. There is some engraving on the ferrel behind the guard that can be seen in some of the pictures. Too bad that there was no sheath with this when I found it. I have one that fits it very well but did not show it as it could be very misleading when trying to identify the daggers country of origin. Robert Attached Images Last edited by Robert Coleman; 2nd February 2008 at 04:16 PM.

9th August 2005, 10:45 AM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	Hi Robert: I agree with the "Spanish Colonial" attribution, probably late 19th or early 20th C. based on other similar examples. Hard to say whether Mexican or Filipino. There was considerable cultural exchange between the two colonial centers up to the end of the 19th C. Ian.

9th August 2005, 07:29 PM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Ian, Thank you. Could you please tell me where I might be able to see other examples of this style of dagger? Thanks again. Robert

9th August 2005, 11:28 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	Sure Robert. There are a couple of older threads you may want to check out. These still have their pictures intact. http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000961.html http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001816.html The style of your knife is similar to those emerging from Albacete in Spain during the mid- to late-19th C. Marc is our resident authority on this subject and provided insights into this style in one of those threads. It was a popular style and seems to have spread widely through the Spanish Colonial Empire. Whether the style originated in Albacete is debatable, but there appears to have been many knives from that region in the style. Ian.

10th August 2005, 03:42 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Ian, I knew I could count on you. This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. Being relatively new here I had no idea this kind of dagger had been dicussed before. Thank you again. Robert

10th August 2005, 06:30 AM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	Pleased to be able to help a little, Robert.

2nd February 2008, 09:23 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I'm more in the Mexico camp. As Ian says it could be PI, but the style of carving and the quillons point more 19th century Mexico to me.