writing on a sansibar hilt

migueldiaz · 14th December 2011, 06:35 PM

as an aside, we can also see above (san buenaventura) that 'calis' (pls. refer to the spanish entry 'esgrimir', i.e., fencing/ sword fighting) has a second meaning -- 'kalis' is the name of the precolonial fighting art of our islands.

the elaboration of 'kalis' in the definition states that reeds and canes ('palos y cañas') are used in that fighting art. but 'kali' can't be found anywhere in those old dictionaries, which are many. thus it's really 'kalis' (or 'karis') that's the term for the ancient martial arts, aside from being a term for the bladed weapon itself.

Nonoy Tan · 14th December 2011, 06:55 PM

Hi blindside, I am aware that migueldiaz (Lorenz Lasco)is one of the few who had done intensive research on the names of such weapons. I have no doubt with regards the accuracy of his statements.

Hi Lorenz, the "alfanfe/tabac" is described it as a machete with a sheath that is attached to a belt.

blindside · 14th December 2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by migueldiaz

as an aside, we can also see above (san buenaventura) that 'calis' (pls. refer to the spanish entry 'esgrimir', i.e., fencing/ sword fighting) has a second meaning -- 'kalis' is the name of the precolonial fighting art of our islands.

the elaboration of 'kalis' in the definition states that reeds and canes ('palos y cañas') are used in that fighting art. but 'kali' can't be found anywhere in those old dictionaries, which are many. thus it's really 'kalis' (or 'karis') that's the term for the ancient martial arts, aside from being a term for the bladed weapon itself.

I have read an article regarding the etymology of kali that cited that "calis" reference, one that I was highly interested in given that I am a student of Pekiti-Tirsia Kali.

And thank you for the information on the Luzon blades nomenclature.

migueldiaz · 15th December 2011, 12:50 AM

@nonoy, thanks for the compliment

and the translation as well.

@blindside, thanks too for the reply. the fma group i belong to also uses 'kali' in its name. and i also don't think that the closeness of the two words (kalis & kali) is a mere coincidence. in this little article i wrote, i was speculating that the dropping of the 's' in 'kalis' over time might have been due to the way baybayin is written (like what paul morrow illustrated, below).

on the heart-shaped symbol on the scabbard, i see that motif from time to time. but i have yet to figure out what it is

15th December 2011, 12:50 AM	#4
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	@nonoy, thanks for the compliment and the translation as well. @blindside, thanks too for the reply. the fma group i belong to also uses 'kali' in its name. and i also don't think that the closeness of the two words (kalis & kali) is a mere coincidence. in this little article i wrote, i was speculating that the dropping of the 's' in 'kalis' over time might have been due to the way baybayin is written (like what paul morrow illustrated, below). on the heart-shaped symbol on the scabbard, i see that motif from time to time. but i have yet to figure out what it is Attached Images

14th December 2011, 06:35 PM	#1
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	as an aside, we can also see above (san buenaventura) that 'calis' (pls. refer to the spanish entry 'esgrimir', i.e., fencing/ sword fighting) has a second meaning -- 'kalis' is the name of the precolonial fighting art of our islands. the elaboration of 'kalis' in the definition states that reeds and canes ('palos y cañas') are used in that fighting art. but 'kali' can't be found anywhere in those old dictionaries, which are many. thus it's really 'kalis' (or 'karis') that's the term for the ancient martial arts, aside from being a term for the bladed weapon itself.

14th December 2011, 06:55 PM	#2
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Hi blindside, I am aware that migueldiaz (Lorenz Lasco)is one of the few who had done intensive research on the names of such weapons. I have no doubt with regards the accuracy of his statements. Hi Lorenz, the "alfanfe/tabac" is described it as a machete with a sheath that is attached to a belt.