Wrong allocation ?

asomotif · 16th November 2011, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

recent creation of a panjang keris from Sumatra.

Regards,

Detlef

There is an epray seller on Borneo selling similar 'keris'.
Maybe that is the provenance, explaining the Borneo desription.

Ugly items, weird that someone puts time an effort in creating it

Best regards,Willem

Martin Lubojacky · 16th November 2011, 08:03 AM

Thanks for pieces of interesting information to all.
Regards,
Martin

dennee · 16th November 2011, 03:24 PM

First one is definitely Tibet. Looks like a woman's belt, probably from the northeast. In addition to the utility knife and the mechag (pouch holding flint and tinder and with a steel striker plate) it has a milk pail hook. The (likely imitation) coral and other decoration is solidly Tibetan. The curved knife sheath and its metal work are also characteristic.

Rod Charters · 16th November 2011, 04:24 PM

Just to add that in Khartoum it is common to find ray tails used for making whips. The ones I've seen are all new and I have always assumed these come from the red sea.

Rod

Sajen · 16th November 2011, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

There is an epray seller on Borneo selling similar 'keris'.
Maybe that is the provenance, explaining the Borneo desription.
Best regards,Willem

Hi Willem,

funny, this coming to my mind as well.

Regards,

Detlef

David · 19th November 2011, 01:59 PM

Martin, i might suggest that in the future you divide a group like this up and post them in their respective forums. You would get far more responses about the keris in the keris forum. But i do agree with what has already been said about it.

Martin Lubojacky · 20th November 2011, 12:38 AM

Hi David,
next time I will do as you said. Thanks for confirmation re keris
Regards
Martin

DaveS · 21st November 2011, 02:39 AM

Yes, the kris is a recent creation, but i doubt if any of the top custom
damascus knifmakers in the U.S could even come close to duplicating it.
They simply don't have the experience working with the style of these
Indonesian type blades. They will also be the first to admit that fact..Dave

A.alnakkas · 21st November 2011, 03:19 AM

Abit off-topic; but is the keris like the yemeni Jambiya? a dress item as far as I know so there will be new ones. But from what I see, those new ones look awesome! How bad it is to buy a new one?

Battara · 21st November 2011, 03:22 AM

Well in a sense yes - the keris is like the jambiya in that it is part of ceremonial dress and new ones are being made as we speak - the craft is alive and well.

Rick · 21st November 2011, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Abit off-topic; but is the keris like the yemeni Jambiya? a dress item as far as I know so there will be new ones. But from what I see, those new ones look awesome! How bad it is to buy a new one?

For the first part:
Yes, like a Jambiya and possibly a bit more .

For the second part:
Not bad at all !
Best to be educated first .

16th November 2011, 04:24 PM	#4
Rod Charters Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 48	ray tails Just to add that in Khartoum it is common to find ray tails used for making whips. The ones I've seen are all new and I have always assumed these come from the red sea. Rod

16th November 2011, 08:03 AM	#2
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 845	Thanks for pieces of interesting information to all. Regards, Martin

16th November 2011, 03:24 PM	#3
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	First one is definitely Tibet. Looks like a woman's belt, probably from the northeast. In addition to the utility knife and the mechag (pouch holding flint and tinder and with a steel striker plate) it has a milk pail hook. The (likely imitation) coral and other decoration is solidly Tibetan. The curved knife sheath and its metal work are also characteristic.

19th November 2011, 01:59 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Martin, i might suggest that in the future you divide a group like this up and post them in their respective forums. You would get far more responses about the keris in the keris forum. But i do agree with what has already been said about it.

20th November 2011, 12:38 AM	#7
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 845	Hi David, next time I will do as you said. Thanks for confirmation re keris Regards Martin

21st November 2011, 02:39 AM	#8
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Yes, the kris is a recent creation, but i doubt if any of the top custom damascus knifmakers in the U.S could even come close to duplicating it. They simply don't have the experience working with the style of these Indonesian type blades. They will also be the first to admit that fact..Dave

21st November 2011, 03:19 AM	#9
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Abit off-topic; but is the keris like the yemeni Jambiya? a dress item as far as I know so there will be new ones. But from what I see, those new ones look awesome! How bad it is to buy a new one?

21st November 2011, 03:22 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	Well in a sense yes - the keris is like the jambiya in that it is part of ceremonial dress and new ones are being made as we speak - the craft is alive and well.