Unique silver technique (handles & scabbards)

Gavin Nugent · 15th November 2011, 06:06 AM

Jim, your treatise on arms and armour never cease to amaze me and DenisVT, thank you for asking a very interesting question.

Gav

Hey Gav, thank you!!!! I told ya Aylward is a treasure chest!!!

Jim

* oops I meant to quote not edit

DenisVT · 15th November 2011, 08:17 PM

Thank you Jim for exhaustive excursus on historical ways of 'galuchat'. Freebooter partly rights: most of this information known to me, but nevertheless - great maintenance for my pictures (time to think on establishing collective popular edition like Osprey

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I never thought of problem from this side – unfortunately now we have not any information about present of Chinese workmen (especially skilled craftsmen) in Lvov (the system of city production is well studied today). But the distant influence – may be, and first of all in Istanbul that was in close craft and merchant relation with Lvov.
Personally I think that it’s local Lvov’ work – a lot of well-known European and Armenian silversmiths works there (also in Istanbul). Especially as the technology of such production was not complicate – much harder must be the process of necessary stamp (template) making.
The tsar’ sabers were made in the oldest, most authoritative and powerful on that time armory of Moscow Kremlin. Tula and several other armory centers (more of youngest Zlatoust) are not related with our subject – we speak about specific samples and techniques.
The arms &armor production and the most of medieval Moscow craftsmen are well-known too today. For example we know about Iranian workmen, who were sent to Russia by Persian Shahs and worked in Orujeinaja Palata till the end of their life… But we know nothing about Chinese workmen there.
Anyway, thanks for detailed post and for creative thoughts also.

Jim McDougall · 16th November 2011, 03:38 AM

Im very glad I could offer some information and thoughts Denis, and thank you for the opportunity. Very interesting topic and I hope you will keep us updated in any new developments.
All best regards,
Jim

15th November 2011, 06:06 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	WOW Jim, your treatise on arms and armour never cease to amaze me and DenisVT, thank you for asking a very interesting question. Gav Hey Gav, thank you!!!! I told ya Aylward is a treasure chest!!! Jim * oops I meant to quote not edit Last edited by Jim McDougall; 15th November 2011 at 04:45 PM.

15th November 2011, 08:17 PM	#2
DenisVT Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kiyv, Ukraine Posts: 7	Thank you Jim for exhaustive excursus on historical ways of 'galuchat'. Freebooter partly rights: most of this information known to me, but nevertheless - great maintenance for my pictures (time to think on establishing collective popular edition like Osprey ) I never thought of problem from this side – unfortunately now we have not any information about present of Chinese workmen (especially skilled craftsmen) in Lvov (the system of city production is well studied today). But the distant influence – may be, and first of all in Istanbul that was in close craft and merchant relation with Lvov. Personally I think that it’s local Lvov’ work – a lot of well-known European and Armenian silversmiths works there (also in Istanbul). Especially as the technology of such production was not complicate – much harder must be the process of necessary stamp (template) making. The tsar’ sabers were made in the oldest, most authoritative and powerful on that time armory of Moscow Kremlin. Tula and several other armory centers (more of youngest Zlatoust) are not related with our subject – we speak about specific samples and techniques. The arms &armor production and the most of medieval Moscow craftsmen are well-known too today. For example we know about Iranian workmen, who were sent to Russia by Persian Shahs and worked in Orujeinaja Palata till the end of their life… But we know nothing about Chinese workmen there. Anyway, thanks for detailed post and for creative thoughts also.

16th November 2011, 03:38 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,467	Im very glad I could offer some information and thoughts Denis, and thank you for the opportunity. Very interesting topic and I hope you will keep us updated in any new developments. All best regards, Jim