Sudanese kaskara - Arabic translation request

A.alnakkas · 10th November 2011, 04:26 PM

Hey Colin,

I'll try to decipher this later tonight or tommorow, but the pictures could be better.

Just a random observation, but the script is not the usual found in Sudanese item.. I think this blade is pretty old.

Iain · 10th November 2011, 05:00 PM

Thanks for posting Colin, looks like a nice Solingen blade you have. I see you've got the orb and lion, no fly mark? Otherwise seems to confirm to the basic Kull pattern, but looks very early.

Very nice sword!

Cheers,

Iain

Lew · 10th November 2011, 05:48 PM

Here are the other two pics from the duplicate thread.

Jim McDougall · 11th November 2011, 12:44 AM

Thanks very much for sharing the native applied lion and cross and orb. It would be great to know more on the Islamic script added, which seems atypical on these post Mahdiyya kaskara. Hopefully Stephen might observe.

Iain · 11th November 2011, 12:56 AM

Looking again I'd have to say I agree Jim, certainly locally applied marks. Still wonder why the fly is missing... Odd. I still would say the blade has a good chance to be European, don't normally see a ricasso on a native blade.

Also hope Stephen can chime in here, he's seen far more of these swords than most of us!

Jim McDougall · 11th November 2011, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iain

Looking again I'd have to say I agree Jim, certainly locally applied marks. Still wonder why the fly is missing... Odd. I still would say the blade has a good chance to be European, don't normally see a ricasso on a native blade.

Also hope Stephen can chime in here, he's seen far more of these swords than most of us!

Well observed Iain! That is an excellent point of reference in examining these blades as the native armourers were most capable of forging sound blades which almost mirrored the Solingen exports. I always wish we could discover more on the nature of the products which were made explicitely for these markets. From what I have understood from the great work Ed produced on Kasalla, the relatively small cadre of makers did have some degree of variation in thier application of these interpretative marks. It does seem the use of the lion on one side and cross and orb on the other were a fairly common combination. The 'Kull' marking seems to have occurred somewhat separately, but cant recall offhand details.
Where's Ed!!!?????

All the best,
Jim

AJ1356 · 11th November 2011, 06:44 AM

The writing on this is beautiful, and done masterfully. Some one took long, painfull hours to inscibe them on the blade.

10th November 2011, 05:48 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Here are the other two pics from the duplicate thread. Attached Images

10th November 2011, 04:26 PM	#1
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hey Colin, I'll try to decipher this later tonight or tommorow, but the pictures could be better. Just a random observation, but the script is not the usual found in Sudanese item.. I think this blade is pretty old.

10th November 2011, 05:00 PM	#2
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,719	Thanks for posting Colin, looks like a nice Solingen blade you have. I see you've got the orb and lion, no fly mark? Otherwise seems to confirm to the basic Kull pattern, but looks very early. Very nice sword! Cheers, Iain

11th November 2011, 12:44 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	Thanks very much for sharing the native applied lion and cross and orb. It would be great to know more on the Islamic script added, which seems atypical on these post Mahdiyya kaskara. Hopefully Stephen might observe.

11th November 2011, 12:56 AM	#5
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,719	Looking again I'd have to say I agree Jim, certainly locally applied marks. Still wonder why the fly is missing... Odd. I still would say the blade has a good chance to be European, don't normally see a ricasso on a native blade. Also hope Stephen can chime in here, he's seen far more of these swords than most of us!

11th November 2011, 06:44 AM	#7
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	The writing on this is beautiful, and done masterfully. Some one took long, painfull hours to inscibe them on the blade.