Jalak Sangu Tumpeng

PenangsangII · 28th October 2011, 04:19 AM

With respect to Karttikeya's Jalak Sangu Tumpeng, I would opine it is a Mataram piece, most probably of Senopaten era, but with very significant Padjajaran outlook especially at the gandik...very slanting feature there (mboto rubuh)

David · 28th October 2011, 06:07 AM

What i see is a nice old keris with a certain presence in not quite as old nice dress. It is a keris i would welcome in my own collection. Does the sheath appear to have been made specifically for this keris?

Karttikeya · 28th October 2011, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by David

What i see is a nice old keris with a certain presence in not quite as old nice dress. It is a keris i would welcome in my own collection. Does the sheath appear to have been made specifically for this keris?

Hi David, thanks for your appreciation..Yes, you are correct, I changed its original sheath because the original one has been damaged and bad appearance, heavily coated in thick oil and incense. Previously, this keris was claimed by the owner as Tumenggung (regent) Jogonegoro heirloom, that's why he treated this keris by offering incense and fragnance oil intensively, and actually hardly to remove it. After I got this keris, I think I need to change the sheath and more over to protect this keris from new rust.

A. G. Maisey · 28th October 2011, 07:56 AM

I'm sorry Penangsang, but that keris cannot be classified as any of the Mataram sub-divisions.Mataram Senopaten does not look even vaguely like this keris. Not in the smallest degree.

A dominant feature of a keris that may be classified as tangguh Mataram is that the blumbangan is square.

The blumbangan in the keris under discussion is bata adeg.

It cannot be classified as Mataram of any type.

Karttikeya · 29th October 2011, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I'm sorry Penangsang, but that keris cannot be classified as any of the Mataram sub-divisions.Mataram Senopaten does not look even vaguely like this keris. Not in the smallest degree.

A dominant feature of a keris that may be classified as tangguh Mataram is that the blumbangan is square.

The blumbangan in the keris under discussion is bata adeg.

It cannot be classified as Mataram of any type.

Pak Alan, thank you for your explanation..By the way, you said most of the features are acceptable for Majapahit keris, however you said ganja is straight and thin to be classified as Majapahit keris. But I believe you have pre assumption regarding this keris tangguh anyway since you have handled thousands even millions of kerises. If you do not mind kindly value this keris personally..thank you

A. G. Maisey · 29th October 2011, 06:11 AM

I'm sorry Kartikeya, but I do not provide a valuation service, most especially from photographs.

However, there is one very easy way to determine a value:- it is the maximum a serious buyer is prepared to pay, and the minimum a serious seller is prepared to accept, where the two cannot agree, its somewhere in between these two figures.

My assessment of this keris was based upon what I have been taught, not only upon personal experience.

David · 29th October 2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Karttikeya

Pak Alan, thank you for your explanation..By the way, you said most of the features are acceptable for Majapahit keris, however you said ganja is straight and thin to be classified as Majapahit keris. But I believe you have pre assumption regarding this keris tangguh anyway since you have handled thousands even millions of kerises. If you do not mind kindly value this keris personally..thank you

I must also point out that it is strictly forbidden to do value assessments on this forum. This is specified in the forum rules. If you have not read the rules i strongly suggest that you do so that you do not run afoul of the moderation team. Thanks....

Karttikeya · 29th October 2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I must also point out that it is strictly forbidden to do value assessments on this forum. This is specified in the forum rules. If you have not read the rules i strongly suggest that you do so that you do not run afoul of the moderation team. Thanks....

Sorry David, I do not exptected that it is stricly forbidden and I will not do request any assessments in the future. Thank you for your reminding..

Karttikeya · 14th December 2011, 06:11 AM

Hi all, I raise this thread again because I have some questions about warangka. Could anybody tell me what is warangka style of this blade? Does the warangka match its deder? If I change existing mendak to mandak kendhit Yogyakartan, whether it meets with both warangka and deder? Your advises would be appreciated.

28th October 2011, 04:19 AM	#1
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	With respect to Karttikeya's Jalak Sangu Tumpeng, I would opine it is a Mataram piece, most probably of Senopaten era, but with very significant Padjajaran outlook especially at the gandik...very slanting feature there (mboto rubuh)

28th October 2011, 06:07 AM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,229	What i see is a nice old keris with a certain presence in not quite as old nice dress. It is a keris i would welcome in my own collection. Does the sheath appear to have been made specifically for this keris?

28th October 2011, 07:56 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	I'm sorry Penangsang, but that keris cannot be classified as any of the Mataram sub-divisions.Mataram Senopaten does not look even vaguely like this keris. Not in the smallest degree. A dominant feature of a keris that may be classified as tangguh Mataram is that the blumbangan is square. The blumbangan in the keris under discussion is bata adeg. It cannot be classified as Mataram of any type.

29th October 2011, 06:11 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	I'm sorry Kartikeya, but I do not provide a valuation service, most especially from photographs. However, there is one very easy way to determine a value:- it is the maximum a serious buyer is prepared to pay, and the minimum a serious seller is prepared to accept, where the two cannot agree, its somewhere in between these two figures. My assessment of this keris was based upon what I have been taught, not only upon personal experience.

14th December 2011, 06:11 AM	#9
Karttikeya Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 54	Hi all, I raise this thread again because I have some questions about warangka. Could anybody tell me what is warangka style of this blade? Does the warangka match its deder? If I change existing mendak to mandak kendhit Yogyakartan, whether it meets with both warangka and deder? Your advises would be appreciated.