Sundang Bisaya

ibeam · 25th October 2011, 08:10 PM

Here is another similar Bikol manasbad example

Spunger, this probably looks familiar to you

Kino, I would leave it alone. You can infill it with epoxy but its hard to match aged horn like that with grain. Thnx for sharing.

Battara · 25th October 2011, 11:05 PM

I'm with Ibeam on treating this - not much you can really do unless you matched the color of the epoxy to the horn.

BTW - thanks for the pics Migueldiaz - helps me see the difference between Visayan and Bicol. I see your point (get it?

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kino · 26th October 2011, 05:16 AM

MiguelDiaz- I see the similarities in the carvings. Thanks for posting the photos.

Jon- nice one.

I will have to leave things be and just apply some oil to the horn hilt and hopefully that will stop the crack from going any further.

migueldiaz · 26th October 2011, 11:23 AM

Jose, Albert, I was looking for the 'Like' button ... until I realized that this is not FB!

Thanks, too.

Dimasalang · 26th October 2011, 07:10 PM

Wow thats awesome!

Bicol is an interesting region. It is considered a part of the Luzon region(aka Region V), considering the main part of Bicol is still land locked to Luzon...but the Bicol island province of Masbate is considered a part of the Visayan region. The main part of Bicol is not. They are in a way half and half. The main dialect spoken is Bicol, but in the North they can speak Tagalog(Camarines Norte and Camarines Sur), and in the south they can speak Cebuano/Visayan...as well as a mix dialect of Visayan and Bikol which they call "Bisakol". The Bikolanos are considered their own ethnic group, but even from the different and mixed dialects, you can see the impact the Tagalogs and Visayans have to Bicol. And more likely their culture as well. I've noticed the blades there seem to look more closely related to the Visayan region, but I haven't seen any Bicol blades that have a chiseled edge.
Just my observation.

nacho · 27th October 2011, 01:59 AM

The similarity in Bicol and Panay swords have been subject of our discussions here in the Philippines. No conclusions reached. But some interesting info:

1) Bicol and Panay dialects have strong similarities;
2) Legend says that 10 Bornean datus landed in Panay and bought the island from the natives for a golden salakot (hat). Most of the datus settled in Panay, but a few moved on to Bicol and settled there.

DaveS · 27th October 2011, 02:27 AM

Albert: If you can get a piece of horn the same color as the handle, try
grinding it to get enough dust to mix with epoxy to fill the crack.
Sometimes the color match can work out really well......Dave

25th October 2011, 08:10 PM	#1
ibeam Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 134	Here is another similar Bikol manasbad example Spunger, this probably looks familiar to you Kino, I would leave it alone. You can infill it with epoxy but its hard to match aged horn like that with grain. Thnx for sharing. Attached Images

25th October 2011, 11:05 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I'm with Ibeam on treating this - not much you can really do unless you matched the color of the epoxy to the horn. BTW - thanks for the pics Migueldiaz - helps me see the difference between Visayan and Bicol. I see your point (get it? ).

26th October 2011, 05:16 AM	#3
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	MiguelDiaz- I see the similarities in the carvings. Thanks for posting the photos. Jon- nice one. I will have to leave things be and just apply some oil to the horn hilt and hopefully that will stop the crack from going any further.

26th October 2011, 11:23 AM	#4
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Jose, Albert, I was looking for the 'Like' button ... until I realized that this is not FB! Thanks, too.

26th October 2011, 07:10 PM	#5
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Wow thats awesome! Bicol is an interesting region. It is considered a part of the Luzon region(aka Region V), considering the main part of Bicol is still land locked to Luzon...but the Bicol island province of Masbate is considered a part of the Visayan region. The main part of Bicol is not. They are in a way half and half. The main dialect spoken is Bicol, but in the North they can speak Tagalog(Camarines Norte and Camarines Sur), and in the south they can speak Cebuano/Visayan...as well as a mix dialect of Visayan and Bikol which they call "Bisakol". The Bikolanos are considered their own ethnic group, but even from the different and mixed dialects, you can see the impact the Tagalogs and Visayans have to Bicol. And more likely their culture as well. I've noticed the blades there seem to look more closely related to the Visayan region, but I haven't seen any Bicol blades that have a chiseled edge. Just my observation.

27th October 2011, 01:59 AM	#6
nacho Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Makati Posts: 69	The similarity in Bicol and Panay swords have been subject of our discussions here in the Philippines. No conclusions reached. But some interesting info: 1) Bicol and Panay dialects have strong similarities; 2) Legend says that 10 Bornean datus landed in Panay and bought the island from the natives for a golden salakot (hat). Most of the datus settled in Panay, but a few moved on to Bicol and settled there.

27th October 2011, 02:27 AM	#7
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Albert: If you can get a piece of horn the same color as the handle, try grinding it to get enough dust to mix with epoxy to fill the crack. Sometimes the color match can work out really well......Dave