Riau-Bugis Keris and Hilt?

Sajen · 9th October 2011, 07:41 PM

Hello Ganja,

this could be Peninsula keris as well, look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=peninsula

The "temu ure" are the small black dots along a line which are normally typical for hippo ivory which I think to see at your both hilts as well so I think that it isn't ivory from dugong but from hippo.

Others with more knowledge than I am will be able to tell you more about the origin of this both nice keris. Do they have both a sarung? Can you post pictures when they are inside?

Regards,

Detlef

ganjawulung · 10th October 2011, 01:48 AM

Not changed yet, since acquired couple months ago... The "malela" one, has no warangka. I acquired it, just blade and hilt only...

ganjawulung · 10th October 2011, 01:49 AM

And the whole warangka with blade and hilt...

ganjawulung · 10th October 2011, 01:51 AM

And with another Sulawesi Bugis, newly acquired couple while ago...

ganjawulung · 10th October 2011, 03:41 AM

This newly acquired Bugis has no 'buntut'...

Sajen · 10th October 2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

And the whole warangka with blade and hilt...

Very nice keris in my opinion. The wood seems to have a nice grain but not good to seen under the dark paint. Do you have thought about to give it a new appearance? Look for example in the thread I have given before.

Regards,

Detlef

Laowang · 10th October 2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Very nice keris in my opinion. The wood seems to have a nice grain but not good to seen under the dark paint. Do you have thought about to give it a new appearance? Look for example in the thread I have given before.

Regards,

Detlef

I've been told by Adni of the Malay Art Gallery that the wood wrangkas of Sulawesi keris were often traditionally stained dark. I would advise against removing the stain, unless you are certain it was a change made to the wrangka outside of the original culture.

A. G. Maisey · 11th October 2011, 12:26 AM

Malay and Bugis keris are a bit outside my special area of knowledge, but I have owned a lot of them during my life.

I have noted that sometimes they have been varnished with black varnish, not paint, but a type of varnish that gives a very dark, or black finish.

Others I have had have had a normal brown varnish, but age and neglect had turned this varnish very dark to the point of almost black; these have been brought back to a good finish by polishing with car polish broken down with gum turpentine.

ganjawulung · 11th October 2011, 03:44 AM

@Detlef, thanks. Recently, I have a new "habitude": heavy-hearted to change the 'original' warangka condition, and let the keris' warangka as it is. Or, change totally with new warangka, and let the 'original' warangka stay as it is... So still no decision on this very black (the Sulawesi Bugis) one. But the first blackish one, I think the former owner had once removed the original black-stained varnish...
@Laowang, thanks for reminding me not to change immediately this blackish stained Bugis warangka. Cleaning it, maybe the best way, or change totally with new warangka, and keep the older warangka as it is...
@Alan, thanks also for the tips. It would be very useful for me to try some practical way to maintain my kerises cleaned. I have some practical way too, to use similar items such as car polish (we call it in Jawa, 'kompon', in green plastic cup, or white plastic for the soft one) to keep warangkas cleaned...

10th October 2011, 01:48 AM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Not changed yet, since acquired couple months ago... The "malela" one, has no warangka. I acquired it, just blade and hilt only... Attached Images

10th October 2011, 01:49 AM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	And the whole warangka with blade and hilt... Attached Images

10th October 2011, 01:51 AM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	And with another Sulawesi Bugis, newly acquired couple while ago... Attached Images

10th October 2011, 03:41 AM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	This newly acquired Bugis has no 'buntut'... Attached Images

9th October 2011, 07:41 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,328	Hello Ganja, this could be Peninsula keris as well, look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=peninsula The "temu ure" are the small black dots along a line which are normally typical for hippo ivory which I think to see at your both hilts as well so I think that it isn't ivory from dugong but from hippo. Others with more knowledge than I am will be able to tell you more about the origin of this both nice keris. Do they have both a sarung? Can you post pictures when they are inside? Regards, Detlef

11th October 2011, 12:26 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Malay and Bugis keris are a bit outside my special area of knowledge, but I have owned a lot of them during my life. I have noted that sometimes they have been varnished with black varnish, not paint, but a type of varnish that gives a very dark, or black finish. Others I have had have had a normal brown varnish, but age and neglect had turned this varnish very dark to the point of almost black; these have been brought back to a good finish by polishing with car polish broken down with gum turpentine.

11th October 2011, 03:44 AM	#9
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	@Detlef, thanks. Recently, I have a new "habitude": heavy-hearted to change the 'original' warangka condition, and let the keris' warangka as it is. Or, change totally with new warangka, and let the 'original' warangka stay as it is... So still no decision on this very black (the Sulawesi Bugis) one. But the first blackish one, I think the former owner had once removed the original black-stained varnish... @Laowang, thanks for reminding me not to change immediately this blackish stained Bugis warangka. Cleaning it, maybe the best way, or change totally with new warangka, and keep the older warangka as it is... @Alan, thanks also for the tips. It would be very useful for me to try some practical way to maintain my kerises cleaned. I have some practical way too, to use similar items such as car polish (we call it in Jawa, 'kompon', in green plastic cup, or white plastic for the soft one) to keep warangkas cleaned...