Early Spanish Musket for I.D.

fernando · 5th October 2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

... That's exactly why I hesitated to respond and wisely prefrerred waiting for 'Nando's expertise!

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Oh yeah, it takes a lot of expertise to consult the couple books i have on Spanish weapons

Fernando K · 5th October 2011, 10:31 PM

Hola:

Me parece que es un fusil francés, modelo l754. Los fusiles españoles nunca fueron fijados al cañón (barrel) por la "grenadiere" como en este modelo. Lástima que falta el "embouchoir" delantero. Además, el "punto" (lug) para la fijación de la bayoneta esta situado en la parte inferior del cañón, y no en la parte superior, como en los cañones españoles.

Según Ramiro Larrañaga "Sintesis histórica de la Armería Vasca" España adquirío armas francesas de Saint Etienne, especialmente para las colonias.

AHi

I think it is a French rifle, model L754. The Spanish guns were never attached to the barrel (barrel) for the "grenadiere" as in this model. Too bad it lacks the "embouchoir" forward. In addition, the "point" (lug) for fixing the bayonet is located at the bottom of the barrel, not the top, as in the Spanish guns.

According to Ramiro Larranaga "historical overview of the Armory Vasca" Spain acquired French arms of Saint Etienne, especially for the colonies.

Sincerely. Fernando K

Diccionariofectuosamente. Fernando K

fernando · 6th October 2011, 07:07 PM

I have no doubt that Fernando K has infinitely more knowledge about these weapons

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But let me ask you something, Fernando K: the lock of this rifle is not French and looks quite similar to the Spanish fusil 1757, don't you agree?
Saludos del otro Fernando.

Fernando K · 7th October 2011, 02:13 PM

Hola:

La llave (Lock) no se distingue de la llave francesa mas que por el tornillo que cierra las mandíbulas: esta provisto de una anilla, como en el miquelete (miquelet). Sin embargo, el rastrillo (frizen) no está estriado o rayado, como el las llaves (lock) españolas con influencia francesa. Tambien es un poco raro el tornillo de la nuez(walnut) que está fresado en cruz.La estructura general, como las fornituras, me indican que está hecho según el modelo francés de 1754.Conocido (know) que en esa época las armas francesas eran producidas por armeros particulares, con las inspecciones de los oficiales de artillería.

Sería interesante que se publicaran mas fotos, en particular del interior de la llave, para ver si hay grabado algun nombre o alguna otra característica.

Saludos. Afectuosamente. Fernando KHi

The key (Lock) is indistinguishable from the French key rather than by the screw that closes the jaws: a ring is provided, as in the Miquelet (Miquelet). However, the rake (frize) is not striated or scratched, such as keys (lock) Spanish with French influence. It is also a little weird screw nut (walnut) that is milling cruz.La general structure, such as trimmings, tell me that is made on the French model of 1754.Conocido (know) that at that time the French arms were produced by private dealers, with inspections of the artillery officers.

It would be interesting to publish more pictures, including inside the key, to see if there are recorded some name or other characteristic.

Greetings. Sincerely. Fernando K

Cerjak · 18th January 2012, 05:27 PM

hello RICK
First of all thank you for all your comment ,yes I think we have interest for similar gun: see some photos from this spanish musket from my collection.
Sorry I have a poor English level.
Kind regards

Jean-Luc

rickystl · 19th January 2012, 06:03 PM

Hi Jean Luc!!! Great to hear from you again. Ohhhhh, that is a wonderful looking Spanish musket. I'm drooling....

I sent your photos to a fellow collector friend so he can enjoy. Thanks for posting. Rick.

By the way, I have not shot the Sind Rifle yet, but will this Spring. The bore is now clean. Just have not had time to get the lock adjusted yet.

I'll keep you posted.

Matchlock · 19th January 2012, 06:21 PM

Hi Jean-Luc,

For Central and Northern Europe, your military musket could be dated to the 1740's but as it is Spanish it might well be as late as the 1780's.

Best,
Michael

18th January 2012, 05:27 PM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	SPANISH MUSQUET hello RICK First of all thank you for all your comment ,yes I think we have interest for similar gun: see some photos from this spanish musket from my collection. Sorry I have a poor English level. Kind regards Jean-Luc Attached Images

5th October 2011, 10:31 PM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hola: Me parece que es un fusil francés, modelo l754. Los fusiles españoles nunca fueron fijados al cañón (barrel) por la "grenadiere" como en este modelo. Lástima que falta el "embouchoir" delantero. Además, el "punto" (lug) para la fijación de la bayoneta esta situado en la parte inferior del cañón, y no en la parte superior, como en los cañones españoles. Según Ramiro Larrañaga "Sintesis histórica de la Armería Vasca" España adquirío armas francesas de Saint Etienne, especialmente para las colonias. AHi I think it is a French rifle, model L754. The Spanish guns were never attached to the barrel (barrel) for the "grenadiere" as in this model. Too bad it lacks the "embouchoir" forward. In addition, the "point" (lug) for fixing the bayonet is located at the bottom of the barrel, not the top, as in the Spanish guns. According to Ramiro Larranaga "historical overview of the Armory Vasca" Spain acquired French arms of Saint Etienne, especially for the colonies. Sincerely. Fernando K Diccionariofectuosamente. Fernando K

6th October 2011, 07:07 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I have no doubt that Fernando K has infinitely more knowledge about these weapons . But let me ask you something, Fernando K: the lock of this rifle is not French and looks quite similar to the Spanish fusil 1757, don't you agree? Saludos del otro Fernando.

7th October 2011, 02:13 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hola: La llave (Lock) no se distingue de la llave francesa mas que por el tornillo que cierra las mandíbulas: esta provisto de una anilla, como en el miquelete (miquelet). Sin embargo, el rastrillo (frizen) no está estriado o rayado, como el las llaves (lock) españolas con influencia francesa. Tambien es un poco raro el tornillo de la nuez(walnut) que está fresado en cruz.La estructura general, como las fornituras, me indican que está hecho según el modelo francés de 1754.Conocido (know) que en esa época las armas francesas eran producidas por armeros particulares, con las inspecciones de los oficiales de artillería. Sería interesante que se publicaran mas fotos, en particular del interior de la llave, para ver si hay grabado algun nombre o alguna otra característica. Saludos. Afectuosamente. Fernando KHi The key (Lock) is indistinguishable from the French key rather than by the screw that closes the jaws: a ring is provided, as in the Miquelet (Miquelet). However, the rake (frize) is not striated or scratched, such as keys (lock) Spanish with French influence. It is also a little weird screw nut (walnut) that is milling cruz.La general structure, such as trimmings, tell me that is made on the French model of 1754.Conocido (know) that at that time the French arms were produced by private dealers, with inspections of the artillery officers. It would be interesting to publish more pictures, including inside the key, to see if there are recorded some name or other characteristic. Greetings. Sincerely. Fernando K

19th January 2012, 06:03 PM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Jean Luc!!! Great to hear from you again. Ohhhhh, that is a wonderful looking Spanish musket. I'm drooling.... I sent your photos to a fellow collector friend so he can enjoy. Thanks for posting. Rick. By the way, I have not shot the Sind Rifle yet, but will this Spring. The bore is now clean. Just have not had time to get the lock adjusted yet. I'll keep you posted.

19th January 2012, 06:21 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jean-Luc, For Central and Northern Europe, your military musket could be dated to the 1740's but as it is Spanish it might well be as late as the 1780's. Best, Michael