There Will Be Piras

KuKulzA28 · 19th September 2011, 01:29 AM

Dave thats awesome! Hope you find the time to post up pictures soon!

harimauhk, I can't comment on Moro agricultural blades specifically, but don't the Visayan islands have their own barong which (at least today's examples) seem a lot more agricultural? They look almost like chubby garabs with a little more weight forward, but the barong's leaf-shape is present...

or maybe I am just getting confused..

harimauhk · 19th September 2011, 01:37 AM

Hi Kuk,

Yes, there are agricultural barungs in the Central Visayas, but I believe that came about through cultural exchange between the Bangsamoro tribes and the Bisaya/Cebuano. BTW, I also picked up an agricultural barung crafted by the same Zamboanga smiths, and a karit (sickle) I saw used for slicing through banana stems.

It would definitely allay all doubt if someone had an antique version of an agricultural barung/pira, but I guess farm tools wouldn't be cared for and passed down in the same manner.

KuKulzA28 · 19th September 2011, 01:58 AM

Good points, as always thanks for contributing your knowledge! Let's guys like me learn up and get a little closer to knowing a thing or two about the Filipino and Moro weapons / martial history.

By the way... karit? Like... arit or clurit? Same type of word?

harimauhk · 19th September 2011, 02:06 AM

Yes, arit, karit and celurit are all very close aren't they?

Karit is actually Tagalog--I'm not sure what they are called in Sulu. In Cebuano they are called sanggot or sanggut, and sangud is the term in Chavacano.

I'm still looking to add a celurit to the collection! I hope to explore more of Indonesia in the years to come.

Nirghosa · 20th September 2011, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by harimauhk

Yes, arit, karit and celurit are all very close aren't they?

Karit is actually Tagalog--I'm not sure what they are called in Sulu. In Cebuano they are called sanggot or sanggut, and sangud is the term in Chavacano.

I'm still looking to add a celurit to the collection! I hope to explore more of Indonesia in the years to come.

How about a pic of that karit?

19th September 2011, 01:29 AM	#1
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Dave thats awesome! Hope you find the time to post up pictures soon! harimauhk, I can't comment on Moro agricultural blades specifically, but don't the Visayan islands have their own barong which (at least today's examples) seem a lot more agricultural? They look almost like chubby garabs with a little more weight forward, but the barong's leaf-shape is present... or maybe I am just getting confused..

19th September 2011, 01:37 AM	#2
harimauhk Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 88	Hi Kuk, Yes, there are agricultural barungs in the Central Visayas, but I believe that came about through cultural exchange between the Bangsamoro tribes and the Bisaya/Cebuano. BTW, I also picked up an agricultural barung crafted by the same Zamboanga smiths, and a karit (sickle) I saw used for slicing through banana stems. It would definitely allay all doubt if someone had an antique version of an agricultural barung/pira, but I guess farm tools wouldn't be cared for and passed down in the same manner.

19th September 2011, 01:58 AM	#3
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Good points, as always thanks for contributing your knowledge! Let's guys like me learn up and get a little closer to knowing a thing or two about the Filipino and Moro weapons / martial history. By the way... karit? Like... arit or clurit? Same type of word?

19th September 2011, 02:06 AM	#4
harimauhk Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 88	Yes, arit, karit and celurit are all very close aren't they? Karit is actually Tagalog--I'm not sure what they are called in Sulu. In Cebuano they are called sanggot or sanggut, and sangud is the term in Chavacano. I'm still looking to add a celurit to the collection! I hope to explore more of Indonesia in the years to come.