Evidence for fake Moro Kris / Keris Sundang?

kai · 28th July 2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Please refrain from discussing here any item that is listed, or may be relisted shortly, on eBay.

Just to clarify: I opened this new thread to discuss the situation in general and not any specific piece. However, it would be great if people were to post pics from their own collections to illustrate points being discussed. TIA!

Spunjer · 28th July 2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill
Spunger, Agree that the straight gangya line means a really old blade; for the few really old blades I have the gangya is very narrow ... & the file work is minimal on the guard side, as well, fully defined curves rather than waves.

Hi, Bill, could you please show us pics of these gangya? Pretty please...

ian, i hope i'm not breaking any rules but if i am, my apologies and please feel free to delete this reply.

hi kai,

read this query on the other thread.
anyway, i have one that has a narrow gangya. i'm not sure if this is what bill meant but he estimated this particular one to be around 175 years. hope this helps.

Mark · 28th July 2005, 03:16 PM

::groan:: You guys really know how to give your conscientious moderators heartache.

All I ask is that everyone refrain from making reference to on-going auctions (which includes making sure an item isn't in an active auction before you post about it -- that is your responsibility). So far this is a nice, academic thread, but its tetering on the edge, so please be ... well, careful. This is a weird situation because there is an ended auction, so discussion was rightly started, but it might re-list -- a case of first impression as we lawyers say.

This isn't an issue of censorship or whatever (or of course criticism). Its just that we have this policy and we want to apply it consistently and fairly. It does get hard sometimes being the cop when you want to just hang out with the guys, too, so we need your help.

Thanks!

kai · 29th July 2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Bowditch

So far this is a nice, academic thread, but its tetering on the edge, so please be ... well, careful.

I'd like to keep it focused on established fakes and suitable tell-tale signs, too. Thanks!

kai · 29th July 2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

anyway, i have one that has a narrow gangya. i'm not sure if this is what bill meant but he estimated this particular one to be around 175 years. hope this helps.

Thanks for the pics, Spunjer! However, your nice kris isn't a fake (AFAI can tell...

) so we probably should start a separate thread to keep this discussion focused on fakes.

Regards,
Kai

28th July 2005, 03:16 PM	#3
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	So far, so good ... but ... ::groan:: You guys really know how to give your conscientious moderators heartache. All I ask is that everyone refrain from making reference to on-going auctions (which includes making sure an item isn't in an active auction before you post about it -- that is your responsibility). So far this is a nice, academic thread, but its tetering on the edge, so please be ... well, careful. This is a weird situation because there is an ended auction, so discussion was rightly started, but it might re-list -- a case of first impression as we lawyers say. This isn't an issue of censorship or whatever (or of course criticism). Its just that we have this policy and we want to apply it consistently and fairly. It does get hard sometimes being the cop when you want to just hang out with the guys, too, so we need your help. Thanks!