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terry1956 · 10th August 2011, 10:42 PM

hi the pattern 1796 light cavalry sabre was still in use with some yeomanry regiments up until the early1860,s. it just maybe that the blade needed to be renewed but to keep uniform the older guard etc was reused. I have also seen older 1796 blades on latter guards etc.
michael

Ian Knight · 11th August 2011, 04:46 PM

Please could we see a close up of the hilt. It looks German to me.

Ian

sirupate · 12th August 2011, 10:28 PM

Hi guys, I came across another, here is the hilt;

Ian Knight · 13th August 2011, 12:42 PM

Hello Simon,
I'm pretty sure that the hilt isn't from a British P1796. The guard is very lightweight and not particularly well made. I would say that the sword is of German manufacture.

Ian

sirupate · 13th August 2011, 01:26 PM

Hello Ian,

Thanks for you observation, however my Dawes of Birmingham 1796 LCS also has a comparatively lightweight hilt;

And why the 1853 pattern blade? so perhaps Michael has a point?

Ian Knight · 13th August 2011, 06:46 PM

Hello Simon,
Can you see where the cross guard joins the knuckleguard? On the hilt of your sword this appears to be bent to this shape very similar to many swords that I have seen from the German states. On a British P1796 officer's sword this junction is almost at right angles and has a re-enforcing piece. On a troopers' sword this junction is the same without the re-enforcing piece. If you look at the hilt on your Dawes sword you will see what I mean.
The ferrule and thereby the grip are also much too narrow.

I have owned many and still own five British P1796 sabres and I am very confident that your sword doesn't have a British P1796 hilt.

Are there any markings on the blade?

Ian

Hotspur · 13th August 2011, 08:54 PM

I am in no way an expert on P shaped hilts but I do read many maybe going by a basic profile and thinking it must be a 1796 hilt.

The top sword looks like a late Prussian artillery sword and the second by Simon also late and maybe infantry and of the continent.

http://www.deutsches-blankwaffenforu...nwaffen-2.html

Just a few there and I'm sure more on Old Swords for browsing

http://zietenhusar.de/blankwaffen/

http://www.militaria-web.de/

Cheers

GC

10th August 2011, 10:42 PM	#1
terry1956 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: yeovil, somerset, uk Posts: 75	maybe hi the pattern 1796 light cavalry sabre was still in use with some yeomanry regiments up until the early1860,s. it just maybe that the blade needed to be renewed but to keep uniform the older guard etc was reused. I have also seen older 1796 blades on latter guards etc. michael

13th August 2011, 06:46 PM	#6
Ian Knight Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: East Sussex, England. Posts: 103	Hello Simon, Can you see where the cross guard joins the knuckleguard? On the hilt of your sword this appears to be bent to this shape very similar to many swords that I have seen from the German states. On a British P1796 officer's sword this junction is almost at right angles and has a re-enforcing piece. On a troopers' sword this junction is the same without the re-enforcing piece. If you look at the hilt on your Dawes sword you will see what I mean. The ferrule and thereby the grip are also much too narrow. I have owned many and still own five British P1796 sabres and I am very confident that your sword doesn't have a British P1796 hilt. Are there any markings on the blade? Ian Attached Images

11th August 2011, 04:46 PM	#2
Ian Knight Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: East Sussex, England. Posts: 103	Please could we see a close up of the hilt. It looks German to me. Ian

12th August 2011, 10:28 PM	#3
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Hi guys, I came across another, here is the hilt;

13th August 2011, 12:42 PM	#4
Ian Knight Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: East Sussex, England. Posts: 103	Hello Simon, I'm pretty sure that the hilt isn't from a British P1796. The guard is very lightweight and not particularly well made. I would say that the sword is of German manufacture. Ian

13th August 2011, 01:26 PM	#5
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Hello Ian, Thanks for you observation, however my Dawes of Birmingham 1796 LCS also has a comparatively lightweight hilt; And why the 1853 pattern blade? so perhaps Michael has a point?

13th August 2011, 08:54 PM	#7
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 523	I am in no way an expert on P shaped hilts but I do read many maybe going by a basic profile and thinking it must be a 1796 hilt. The top sword looks like a late Prussian artillery sword and the second by Simon also late and maybe infantry and of the continent. http://www.deutsches-blankwaffenforu...nwaffen-2.html Just a few there and I'm sure more on Old Swords for browsing http://zietenhusar.de/blankwaffen/ http://www.militaria-web.de/ Cheers GC