Kris from Yogyakarta

PenangsangII · 2nd August 2011, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GIO

Alan and Simatua, though your answers do not match, I am grateful for your help.
As to myself, I cannot have an opinion since I have no examples of pamor banyu tetes.
Many thanks again.

Me think it is called "wahyu temurun"

A. G. Maisey · 2nd August 2011, 09:51 AM

Penangsang, I have never heard of pamor wahyu temuran, but that does not mean that it does not exist and that somewhere this pamor is known by that name, so tell us please :- where is this pamor known as wahyu temurun?

In Solo, and East Jawa --- Surabaya, Malang --- I have never heard anybody call it other than banyu tetes, and it is a very common pamor in current era keris, as this one is.

Gustav · 2nd August 2011, 11:35 AM

Dear All,

after a private correspondence and a look in Solyom's book I must say, my reading was wery sloppy. Here some more details about plaitwork imitation on pendoks.

Nganam Gedeg (Gedeg - split flattened interplaited bamboo) and Tirto (water) Tejo (sparkling) are both known as batik motivs (the names of batik patterns are also used as the names of patterns in other Javanese arts); the only difference between these is the orientation of the bambu weave, and alternation of inscribed and blank bars. Looking at Tirto Tejo you see zig-zag waves.

Regarding Menyan (incense) Kobar (burning), there should be wavy lines incised on some certain bars, which together form an ascending wavy line over the pendok. The bars should be sufficiently wide to permit execution of this motiv.

PenangsangII · 3rd August 2011, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Me think it is called "wahyu temurun"

Hi Alan,

I have no idea the exact origin of the term "wahyu temurun" but its quite common name used in Jogja and by collectors of Javanese keris here in Malaysia. After doing some checking with a few of my collector friends, the pamor is also known as "tirto tumetes" or "banyu tumetes" as you had mentioned earlier. Sorry for the confusion.

2nd August 2011, 09:51 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Penangsang, I have never heard of pamor wahyu temuran, but that does not mean that it does not exist and that somewhere this pamor is known by that name, so tell us please :- where is this pamor known as wahyu temurun? In Solo, and East Jawa --- Surabaya, Malang --- I have never heard anybody call it other than banyu tetes, and it is a very common pamor in current era keris, as this one is.

2nd August 2011, 11:35 AM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Dear All, after a private correspondence and a look in Solyom's book I must say, my reading was wery sloppy. Here some more details about plaitwork imitation on pendoks. Nganam Gedeg (Gedeg - split flattened interplaited bamboo) and Tirto (water) Tejo (sparkling) are both known as batik motivs (the names of batik patterns are also used as the names of patterns in other Javanese arts); the only difference between these is the orientation of the bambu weave, and alternation of inscribed and blank bars. Looking at Tirto Tejo you see zig-zag waves. Regarding Menyan (incense) Kobar (burning), there should be wavy lines incised on some certain bars, which together form an ascending wavy line over the pendok. The bars should be sufficiently wide to permit execution of this motiv.