Question On Odd Barong

kai · 29th July 2011, 12:43 AM

Doesn't look like a classic single-beveled Visayan blade.

I get more of a Mindanao feel with this one - Lumad?

Regards,
Kai

Robert · 29th July 2011, 12:54 AM

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Doesn't look like a classic single-beveled Visayan blade.

I get more of a Mindanao feel with this one

Hello Kai, That was what I was thinking after looking at the one in Lorenz post (picture above) showing the same protrusions at the base of the blade and the museum tag saying Mindanao. Though the hilts are very different the overall style of the blade is the same.

Robert

kai · 29th July 2011, 07:18 AM

Hello Robert,

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That was what I was thinking after looking at the one in Lorenz post (picture above) showing the same protrusions at the base of the blade and the museum tag saying Mindanao.

The museum tag says "Armas de los Moros de Jolo y Mindanao, Filipinas" - with Jolo being the seat of power of the Sulu sultanate, this basically boils down to that some museum curator thinks the displayed pieces are of Moro origin and, thus, originated from Sulu or Mindanao (probably not based on detailed research on this sword). One would need to delve into the original museum records (if extant) as well as try researching the family history of the donator including military records (if extant) to possibly be able to propose a likely origin of this sword.

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Though the hilts are very different the overall style of the blade is the same.

The similarities are certainly interesting. However, given the notches in your example and the engraving of the other example, I'd hesitate to positively declare even the blades to be of the same origin.

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 29th July 2011, 02:12 PM

What a nice clean up! Looks like a shadrigan blade on it. Lovely piece. (Great wife!

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Sajen · 5th February 2012, 09:48 PM

Just reread this thread, I was in Indonesia when it was posted!

Beautiful barong Robert, congrats for it and your wife!!

Regards,

Detlef

ThePepperSkull · 6th February 2012, 03:10 AM

Horn and silver -- My favourite combination! A very curious, but very nice, piece! Once again I find myself envious of your collection, Mr Coleman.

Indianajones · 6th February 2012, 03:51 PM

If it may help; I do find the octagonal handle with those rings at an interval quite similar style as I have seen on the long curved-bladed beheading swords. Hope you know what I mean (or perhaps someone else).
Am not sure myself (100%) of where those beheadingswords where used, but I believe Maranao (tribe), Mindanao isld.?? (my expertise lies more to N.-Phil.)
Congrats though; very nice one; always nice to have a piece of silver deco.

29th July 2011, 12:43 AM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Doesn't look like a classic single-beveled Visayan blade. I get more of a Mindanao feel with this one - Lumad? Regards, Kai

29th July 2011, 02:12 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	What a nice clean up! Looks like a shadrigan blade on it. Lovely piece. (Great wife! )

5th February 2012, 09:48 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,346	Just reread this thread, I was in Indonesia when it was posted! Beautiful barong Robert, congrats for it and your wife!! Regards, Detlef

6th February 2012, 03:10 AM	#6
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Horn and silver -- My favourite combination! A very curious, but very nice, piece! Once again I find myself envious of your collection, Mr Coleman.

6th February 2012, 03:51 PM	#7
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	If it may help; I do find the octagonal handle with those rings at an interval quite similar style as I have seen on the long curved-bladed beheading swords. Hope you know what I mean (or perhaps someone else). Am not sure myself (100%) of where those beheadingswords where used, but I believe Maranao (tribe), Mindanao isld.?? (my expertise lies more to N.-Phil.) Congrats though; very nice one; always nice to have a piece of silver deco.