Old (?) Madurese keris/Pamor Ron Gendhuru Winengku

Sajen · 24th June 2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Yet I doubt, this blade could be made in Yogya.

I said "poor quality"regarding wrongko, becouse of the painted pelet, yet moreover the worn, thick edges of gambar.

Yes, I doubt as well that this blade could be made in Yogya; it's a typical East Java/Madura blade in a fitting dress.

Of course are wrongkos of this type ( I can't remeber the name for) not so graceful carved as ladrang wrongko's from Central Java but they have it's own flair. And like we say in german: "the beauty is in the eyes of the beholder".
I have in my collection only one keris of this type and I put much energy into it to restore the wrongko (Mendak not fitting). But most ones of this type I have seen were worked from pellet wood and some from this were painted what seems to be usual.

Detlef

Gustav · 24th June 2011, 07:48 PM

Regarding the nickel alloy - here my photographic skills and other circumstances could be deceiving - I have put so much WD 40 on the blade (beware us from rust!

), that it could be used as reflector in the night. I guess, I overplayed a little bit.

Anyhow it seems to me, the "white" material is to dark to be PURE nickel, it is absolutely not shiny. Other thing - the dark material seems to be an older one, it's not so homogenous as the new one, and of course laminated. Yet it couldn't serve as a proof, I guess the smiths of today are sometimes using old material, sometimes it's already laminated, and if not, lamination takes not so long.

I could try to take "authentic" colour pictures, yet I am afraid, it is beyond the capabilities of my camera, and the blade isn't correctly stained.

I think, Gio is wright regarding the bulge on hilt, it is simply the place of ramification, under the bulge the core of antler is visible. In any case, it is one of the most comfortable hilts I have had in my hand.

Thank you, Detlef, for showing another example, the edges on your gambar are much finer.

I am interested to know, if the smiths of today are making such sirah cecak, gandhik with such lambe gajah, and such general shape.

24th June 2011, 07:48 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Regarding the nickel alloy - here my photographic skills and other circumstances could be deceiving - I have put so much WD 40 on the blade (beware us from rust! ), that it could be used as reflector in the night. I guess, I overplayed a little bit. Anyhow it seems to me, the "white" material is to dark to be PURE nickel, it is absolutely not shiny. Other thing - the dark material seems to be an older one, it's not so homogenous as the new one, and of course laminated. Yet it couldn't serve as a proof, I guess the smiths of today are sometimes using old material, sometimes it's already laminated, and if not, lamination takes not so long. I could try to take "authentic" colour pictures, yet I am afraid, it is beyond the capabilities of my camera, and the blade isn't correctly stained. I think, Gio is wright regarding the bulge on hilt, it is simply the place of ramification, under the bulge the core of antler is visible. In any case, it is one of the most comfortable hilts I have had in my hand. Thank you, Detlef, for showing another example, the edges on your gambar are much finer. I am interested to know, if the smiths of today are making such sirah cecak, gandhik with such lambe gajah, and such general shape. Last edited by Gustav; 24th June 2011 at 08:11 PM. Reason: remark regarding hilt.