bali kris with bugis sheath or...?

Sajen · 13th June 2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Henk

Are you sure, Detlef? Caveat emptor

Hi Henk,

I write that I am sure but sure you can be never in life!

I am far away to be an expert but something tell me that the blade is a genuine one. Let us see what more knowlegde members will tell us about the blade.

Regards,

Detlef

Gustav · 13th June 2011, 08:00 PM

The question is, what meens "genuine" in this case.

Sajen · 13th June 2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

The question is, what meens "genuine" in this case.

With other words authentic.

Marcokeris · 13th June 2011, 08:45 PM

If i would have one keris like this ....i would be very very very happy

asomotif · 13th June 2011, 09:05 PM

I saw this one too.
Considering the pictures, the kind of seller and the other keris he offered I also think this is an original ensemble. At least already for a long time.

The price went pretty high imo, But if you want a rare type/variant and can afford it, this is something extraordinairy.

The Cirebon keris he offered also looked very good, old and original and will make a better investment than this odd chinese/bugis/bali combi which will probably be questioned by a lot collectors.

Sajen · 13th June 2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

The Cirebon keris he offered also looked very good, old and original and will make a better investment than this odd chinese/bugis/bali combi which will probably be questioned by a lot collectors.

Hi Willem,

yes, I agree. The Cirebon keris he offered was a very hard to come by keris and at last not to expensive.

Regards,

Detlef

asomotif · 14th June 2011, 06:38 AM

Ps.

The naga on this keris reminds me of dragons on Brunei cast work. (gong's and kettle's) / Chinese influence.

A. G. Maisey · 13th June 2011, 08:02 PM

What I will now write is pure opinion and is not based upon any prior knowledge. Often I will write something that I know for certain to be the case, but I couch it as an opinion to avoid offense, or confrontation.

This is not the case this time.

I believe this to be an old ensemble, and genuine.

I know of only one place in the Archipelago that something like this may have been produced, and that is Lombok.

Lombok has mixed cultures, with people of Balinese, Bugis, and Javanese origin living together.

There is a long history of unique , unconventional and highly artistic (as well as incredibly ugly) keris that have come out of Lombok.

If this keris was a racehorse, I'd give odds of 7 to 1 on Lombok origin.

14th June 2011, 06:38 AM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Ps. The naga on this keris reminds me of dragons on Brunei cast work. (gong's and kettle's) / Chinese influence. Attached Images

13th June 2011, 08:00 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	The question is, what meens "genuine" in this case.

13th June 2011, 08:45 PM	#4
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	If i would have one keris like this ....i would be very very very happy

13th June 2011, 09:05 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	I saw this one too. Considering the pictures, the kind of seller and the other keris he offered I also think this is an original ensemble. At least already for a long time. The price went pretty high imo, But if you want a rare type/variant and can afford it, this is something extraordinairy. The Cirebon keris he offered also looked very good, old and original and will make a better investment than this odd chinese/bugis/bali combi which will probably be questioned by a lot collectors.

13th June 2011, 08:02 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	What I will now write is pure opinion and is not based upon any prior knowledge. Often I will write something that I know for certain to be the case, but I couch it as an opinion to avoid offense, or confrontation. This is not the case this time. I believe this to be an old ensemble, and genuine. I know of only one place in the Archipelago that something like this may have been produced, and that is Lombok. Lombok has mixed cultures, with people of Balinese, Bugis, and Javanese origin living together. There is a long history of unique , unconventional and highly artistic (as well as incredibly ugly) keris that have come out of Lombok. If this keris was a racehorse, I'd give odds of 7 to 1 on Lombok origin.