Katipunan Era Officer's Dagger

David · 3rd May 2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

If I new for sure this belonged to a 1st PI Republic I might have placed a triangle etc on the throat.

Really? I think you did a great job on the restoration, but don't you think that would be going just a bit too far even if you were sure of the origin?

Battara · 3rd May 2011, 10:52 PM

Well David, only if the triangle was the custom on this particular piece. Since I don't know (it could be earlier) then I won't do anything more. I usually don't like to do more than I would have proof.

Battara · 4th May 2011, 06:49 AM

Also I forgot to mention that this was brought back by Captain George A. Campbell of Woburn, Massachusetts who fought in the Philippine-American War.

Glad to have at least some of the provenance.

Spunjer · 4th May 2011, 01:22 PM

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If I new for sure this belonged to a 1st PI Republic I might have placed a triangle etc on the throat.

hi jose,
i see what david is saying, since i kinda took your statement he posted the same way. regarding the custom of adding a triangle, etc on pieces:
i could be wrong but, it was in my opinion that these symbols weren't added on these knives, swords, etc. because it's a must nor the custom, but rather it's more of a whim by the original owner. kinda like their personal signature, hence the reason why they are rare?
reminded me of a story about someone who added a sharpened back edge on a regular barung because he thought it was neat, or perhaps to enhance the value?

Battara · 4th May 2011, 04:08 PM

Well again if there were evidence that it was supposed to be there, then I might add it, otherwise I just leave it alone - want to be conservative about these things - don't want to add something that might not have been there. There is restoration and then there is fantasy..........

Sajen · 4th May 2011, 04:38 PM

Hello Jose,

you have done well that you don't add the triangle. Agree complete with you!

eric45 · 4th May 2011, 04:42 PM

very nice...erich

DaveA · 6th May 2011, 08:32 PM

For comparison. I bought this about 4 years ago. 14 inches in overall length. Diamond cross-section blade is 9 1/2 inches long with a brass overlay at the ricasso. Brass guard, ferrules, and end cap. The dark hilt is turned kamagong or carabao horn and inlaid with twisted brass wire. The scabbard is leather, in fine condition, with silver mounts.

Battara · 7th May 2011, 04:33 AM

I had a nearly identical one to this years ago but sold it............hmmm............

Battara · 21st June 2011, 12:42 AM

Could these daggers I have also be Bicolano? Compare the blade styles to this one off eBay (it is from Sorsogon, Bicol - southern tip of Luzon):

Robert · 21st June 2011, 06:10 AM

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Could these daggers I have also be Bicolano?

For some reason I don't think that your daggers are from Bicol. There is a vague resemblance in blade design but the similarity (to me anyway seems) to end there. BWDIK. Did you by chance end up with this dagger too? I had been watching it but decided to bid on the Minasbad instead and lost track of it. If you did congratulations as it is a great piece and will make a great addition to your collection.

Robert

Battara · 21st June 2011, 10:34 PM

No Robert I did not get this and was just wondering since the blades were similar. I tend to move away from the Bicol attribution for the Tejeros Convention dagger (bottom of picture of the 2). Still don't know, but was just wondering.

6th May 2011, 08:32 PM	#8
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 417	My Katipunan Dagger For comparison. I bought this about 4 years ago. 14 inches in overall length. Diamond cross-section blade is 9 1/2 inches long with a brass overlay at the ricasso. Brass guard, ferrules, and end cap. The dark hilt is turned kamagong or carabao horn and inlaid with twisted brass wire. The scabbard is leather, in fine condition, with silver mounts.

21st June 2011, 12:42 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Could these daggers I have also be Bicolano? Compare the blade styles to this one off eBay (it is from Sorsogon, Bicol - southern tip of Luzon): Attached Images

3rd May 2011, 10:52 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Well David, only if the triangle was the custom on this particular piece. Since I don't know (it could be earlier) then I won't do anything more. I usually don't like to do more than I would have proof.

4th May 2011, 06:49 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Also I forgot to mention that this was brought back by Captain George A. Campbell of Woburn, Massachusetts who fought in the Philippine-American War. Glad to have at least some of the provenance.

4th May 2011, 04:08 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Well again if there were evidence that it was supposed to be there, then I might add it, otherwise I just leave it alone - want to be conservative about these things - don't want to add something that might not have been there. There is restoration and then there is fantasy..........

4th May 2011, 04:38 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,277	Hello Jose, you have done well that you don't add the triangle. Agree complete with you!

4th May 2011, 04:42 PM	#7
eric45 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: usa Posts: 32	very nice...erich

7th May 2011, 04:33 AM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	I had a nearly identical one to this years ago but sold it............hmmm............

21st June 2011, 10:34 PM	#12
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	No Robert I did not get this and was just wondering since the blades were similar. I tend to move away from the Bicol attribution for the Tejeros Convention dagger (bottom of picture of the 2). Still don't know, but was just wondering.