Jineta/nimcha/kattara

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 1st May 2011, 06:32 PM

As a guide I have put up two pictures.
The Short blade 60 cms long the Kattara long at 80 cms.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 18th July 2017, 06:32 PM

To Continue ~ This is an excellent thread and it is an honour to expand upon the details...I found this artwork...I will add more as it happens but this thread is open to comments...

Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 18th July 2017, 06:40 PM

JINETA SWORDS A quote from a sold item at https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...denix-20531549

Quote"Jineta (or Gineta) swords are the most direct, fair and rich inheritance of the hispano-arab panoply. The name origin comes from the Cronicles of Alphonso X which tells us about a berber tribe of the Benimerines also known as Zenetes who moved into the Iberic penninsula during the XIII century to fight at the service of Mohammed I of Granada, and brought with them this type of weapon, with a shorter and lighter blade but still as wide and with a great quality steel as the ones used by christian forces of the time.

Due to their quality and scarcity (nowadays hardly a dozen of these swords survive) the jinetas are universally considered and admired. Besides a few now within private collections and worldwide museums, in Spain only three museums are fortunate enough to treasure some examples; the San Telmo Municipal Museum (Picture 9) in San Sebastian, Basque Country, The Army Museum (Museo del Ejercito)(Picture 10); and the National Archeological Museum (Museo Arqueologico Nacional)(Picture11) in Madrid".Unquote.

TVV · 19th July 2017, 05:20 AM

When I was in Spain a few years ago, I took the attached pictures of the jinetas.

First, a couple heavily adorned examples from Museo del Ejercito in Toledo, I believe the first one is attributed to Boabdil.

Then, a broadsword with an ivory hilt, also one of Boabdil's swords.

Finally, one more sword from the Archaeological Museum in Madrid.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th July 2017, 05:28 PM

Salaams TVV ~Absolutely excellent shots of the Jinetas .

Here are a few more I have been gathering together.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th July 2017, 05:30 PM

I thought to place a book I discovered on the subject ~ Note that this is a historical novel...

Please see http://www.discoverislamicart.org/da...es;Mus01;31;en

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th July 2017, 05:49 PM

Searching the web I discovered this amazing picture at my armoury.com see http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.13183.html

Whilst the Moroccan Nimcha has occasionally been associated in the design to or from this weapon I see virtually no link whatsoever except a vague potential hint because of the turned down quillons ...which as you can see bare no resemblance at all, nor does the hilt; whilst the blades are totally different...in fact the Moroccan blade is often European.

The swords below are indicated as (Top left to right) but may be incomplete as there are 11 descriptions but 12 pictures!! but it may be correct up to item 7.
1 - Sword found in Sangueza, pommel is missing (XIIIth century ?, probably the oldest known)
2 - Sword of the Cardinal Infant Don Fernando (Real Armeria in Madrid)
3 - Sword said to be of Sayyidi Yahya (Casa de los Tiros, Granada)
4 - Sword of San Marcello de Leon (museo archeologico, Madrid)
5 - Sword said to be of the Sultan Boabil (museo del ejercito, Madrid)
6 - Sword "bèrbère" (armeria real, Madrid)
7 - Sword hilt
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8 - Sword of the "Cabinet des Médailles" (B Nat, Paris)
9 - Sword of San Telmo (San Sebastian)
10 - Sword said to be of Abindarraez (MET museum, NY)
11 - Sword of the Kassel Museum (Germany)

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

1st May 2011, 06:32 PM	#1
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Omani Short Battle Sword and Omani Long Kattara As a guide I have put up two pictures. The Short blade 60 cms long the Kattara long at 80 cms. Attached Images

18th July 2017, 06:32 PM	#2
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	To Continue ~ This is an excellent thread and it is an honour to expand upon the details...I found this artwork...I will add more as it happens but this thread is open to comments... Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images

19th July 2017, 05:20 AM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	When I was in Spain a few years ago, I took the attached pictures of the jinetas. First, a couple heavily adorned examples from Museo del Ejercito in Toledo, I believe the first one is attributed to Boabdil. Then, a broadsword with an ivory hilt, also one of Boabdil's swords. Finally, one more sword from the Archaeological Museum in Madrid. Attached Images

19th July 2017, 05:28 PM	#5
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams TVV ~Absolutely excellent shots of the Jinetas . Here are a few more I have been gathering together. Attached Images

19th July 2017, 05:30 PM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I thought to place a book I discovered on the subject ~ Note that this is a historical novel... Please see http://www.discoverislamicart.org/da...es;Mus01;31;en Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images

18th July 2017, 06:40 PM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	JINETA SWORDS A quote from a sold item at https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...denix-20531549 Quote"Jineta (or Gineta) swords are the most direct, fair and rich inheritance of the hispano-arab panoply. The name origin comes from the Cronicles of Alphonso X which tells us about a berber tribe of the Benimerines also known as Zenetes who moved into the Iberic penninsula during the XIII century to fight at the service of Mohammed I of Granada, and brought with them this type of weapon, with a shorter and lighter blade but still as wide and with a great quality steel as the ones used by christian forces of the time. Due to their quality and scarcity (nowadays hardly a dozen of these swords survive) the jinetas are universally considered and admired. Besides a few now within private collections and worldwide museums, in Spain only three museums are fortunate enough to treasure some examples; the San Telmo Municipal Museum (Picture 9) in San Sebastian, Basque Country, The Army Museum (Museo del Ejercito)(Picture 10); and the National Archeological Museum (Museo Arqueologico Nacional)(Picture11) in Madrid".Unquote.

19th July 2017, 05:49 PM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Searching the web I discovered this amazing picture at my armoury.com see http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.13183.html Whilst the Moroccan Nimcha has occasionally been associated in the design to or from this weapon I see virtually no link whatsoever except a vague potential hint because of the turned down quillons ...which as you can see bare no resemblance at all, nor does the hilt; whilst the blades are totally different...in fact the Moroccan blade is often European. The swords below are indicated as (Top left to right) but may be incomplete as there are 11 descriptions but 12 pictures!! but it may be correct up to item 7. 1 - Sword found in Sangueza, pommel is missing (XIIIth century ?, probably the oldest known) 2 - Sword of the Cardinal Infant Don Fernando (Real Armeria in Madrid) 3 - Sword said to be of Sayyidi Yahya (Casa de los Tiros, Granada) 4 - Sword of San Marcello de Leon (museo archeologico, Madrid) 5 - Sword said to be of the Sultan Boabil (museo del ejercito, Madrid) 6 - Sword "bèrbère" (armeria real, Madrid) 7 - Sword hilt ************************************************ **** 8 - Sword of the "Cabinet des Médailles" (B Nat, Paris) 9 - Sword of San Telmo (San Sebastian) 10 - Sword said to be of Abindarraez (MET museum, NY) 11 - Sword of the Kassel Museum (Germany) Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 19th July 2017 at 06:16 PM.