What language or script please?

cannonmn · 30th March 2011, 06:51 PM

Dom, thanks. I ran into a somewhat similar situation before when I posted similar characters found on the underside of a Lantaka which came from Midinao, Philippines, although I cannot recall the exact response, would have been on this forum maybe 3 years ago.

The type of cannon on which this inscription is engraved is a form of Spanish cannon which was cast in the Spanish-dominated Philippines during the 18th and early 19th Centuries. A couple of examples can be found in Brinckerhoff's SPANISH MILITARY WEAPONS IN COLONIAL AMERICA 1700-1821. My theory is that these small cannons (most seem to be between about 2 and 4 feet in length) were cast for Spain by small bronze foundries in the Philippines, under contract to Spain. There was a major Spanish cannon foundry in Manila, apparently associated with the Manila Arsenal during its operation by Spain, but I think its production was devoted to larger cannon, say three-pounders and upward to at least 24-pounders.

I've been in contact with Sid Brinckerhoff, author of the book mentioned, who is also trying to learn more about when and where these small Spanish cannon were cast. The big question is whether their production was limited to the Philippines, or whether they were cast in North America and/or South America as well. I don't think any of these smaller-bore bronze Spanish cannon were cast at the two Royal Cannon Foundries in Spain, namely at Seville and Barcelona.

BTW, here's the old thread where I asked for a translation of Jawi on the Lantaka, and was told it was not Jawi, but was non-Arabic language using Arabic characters. Does anyone have a name for this language or script?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=cannonmn

cannonmn · 30th March 2011, 10:45 PM

In casting about on the web, I found an article about Arabic writing on Moro armor. Unfortunately I'm not qualified to determine whether his article has information pertaining to my questions or not. In any case he mentions scripts known as "thuluth" and "nastaliq." His article is here:

http://12fma.blogspot.com/2008/07/ar...oro-armor.html

Dom · 31st March 2011, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cannonmn

In casting about on the web, I found an article about Arabic writing on Moro armor. Unfortunately I'm not qualified to determine whether his article has information pertaining to my questions or not. In any case he mentions scripts known as "thuluth" and "nastaliq." His article is here:

http://12fma.blogspot.com/2008/07/ar...oro-armor.html

Hi
to answer at previous mail ...
- yes I was present already on January 2009 when I translated (for you) upon your request ...
what it was possible, because the mention wasn't in Arabic, but as far as, is ;
- names or religious invocations, almost are in "Classic Arabic", who is understanding mainly by all Muslims

the article about the "Arabic-on-Moro-armor" it's a "joyfull mishmash"
the writer is taking his wishes for "historical facts"

issued from "Wikipedia" - sources more credible than ...

Jawi (Jawi: جاوي Jāwī; Yawi in Pattani)
is an adapted Arabic alphabet for writing the Malay language.
Jawi is one of the two official scripts in Brunei and Malaysia as an alternate script for the Malay language.
Jawi has been relegated to a script used for religious and cultural purposes.
Day-to-day usage of Jawi is maintained in more conservative Malay-populated areas such as;
- Sulu in the Philippines, Pattani in Thailand and Kelantan in Malaysia.

The Jawi alphabet has existed since around 1300 CE in the Malay Archipelago.

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Dom

30th March 2011, 06:51 PM	#1
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Dom, thanks. I ran into a somewhat similar situation before when I posted similar characters found on the underside of a Lantaka which came from Midinao, Philippines, although I cannot recall the exact response, would have been on this forum maybe 3 years ago. The type of cannon on which this inscription is engraved is a form of Spanish cannon which was cast in the Spanish-dominated Philippines during the 18th and early 19th Centuries. A couple of examples can be found in Brinckerhoff's SPANISH MILITARY WEAPONS IN COLONIAL AMERICA 1700-1821. My theory is that these small cannons (most seem to be between about 2 and 4 feet in length) were cast for Spain by small bronze foundries in the Philippines, under contract to Spain. There was a major Spanish cannon foundry in Manila, apparently associated with the Manila Arsenal during its operation by Spain, but I think its production was devoted to larger cannon, say three-pounders and upward to at least 24-pounders. I've been in contact with Sid Brinckerhoff, author of the book mentioned, who is also trying to learn more about when and where these small Spanish cannon were cast. The big question is whether their production was limited to the Philippines, or whether they were cast in North America and/or South America as well. I don't think any of these smaller-bore bronze Spanish cannon were cast at the two Royal Cannon Foundries in Spain, namely at Seville and Barcelona. BTW, here's the old thread where I asked for a translation of Jawi on the Lantaka, and was told it was not Jawi, but was non-Arabic language using Arabic characters. Does anyone have a name for this language or script? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=cannonmn Last edited by cannonmn; 30th March 2011 at 07:11 PM. Reason: add info that was omitted before

30th March 2011, 10:45 PM	#2
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	In casting about on the web, I found an article about Arabic writing on Moro armor. Unfortunately I'm not qualified to determine whether his article has information pertaining to my questions or not. In any case he mentions scripts known as "thuluth" and "nastaliq." His article is here: http://12fma.blogspot.com/2008/07/ar...oro-armor.html