Tombak ( 1) Javanese ?

Nathaniel · 26th March 2011, 05:48 PM

Beautiful spear! It's n great condition! Wonder what a clean up of the blade would revile. Thanks for sharing! I'll be interested to see what other info other forum members will add

danny1976 · 26th March 2011, 06:10 PM

@ Nathaniel,

Thanks

I will clean and etch (warangan ) the blade in the summer.

David · 26th March 2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by danny1976

@ Nathaniel,

Thanks

I will clean and etch (warangan ) the blade in the summer.

Yes, certainly needs some warangan. I look forward to seeing it stained. The ferrule (is there a traditional name for this part?) is beautiful.

kronckew · 26th March 2011, 06:28 PM

for a miniature it looks quite nicely detailed. getting all that detail into less than an inch is difficult

Maurice · 26th March 2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by danny1976

@ Nathaniel,

Thanks

I will clean and etch (warangan ) the blade in the summer.

Hi Danny,

Very nice spear. Congratulations.

And that with that great provenance!!!!

Are you sure you would etch it with warangan?
Why don't you leave it, or give it a slicely etch with lemonjuice or hot vinegar?

Rg,
Maurice

danny1976 · 26th March 2011, 08:09 PM

Hi Maurice ,

I believe there is something in youre collection soon with the
same provenance

About the etching ... i will wait until i realy know where the from, when the are
from Java i will give them the warangan treatment .
i they are from a other island maybe i just leave them in this state , not sure yet.

Maurice · 26th March 2011, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

Hi Maurice ,

I believe there is something in youre collection soon with the
same provenance

About the etching ... i will wait until i realy know where the from, when the are
from Java i will give them the warangan treatment .
i they are from a other island maybe i just leave them in this state , not sure yet.

Yes, I've something with the same provenance. It will be delivered personally 4th April probably, while enjoying a cup of coffee.
It's a rencong, simple but genuine!
The rencong needs some cleaning, the blade is rusted, and I'm looking forward to start with the work.

I decided to make a thread of it. Maybe some more pieces of this collection will show up here later on....
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13559

A. G. Maisey · 27th March 2011, 02:18 AM

David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong".

The butt of the spear shaft when covered with metal is called a "tunjung". The word "tunjung" actually means "lotus" and the tunjung on the end of spear shaft has a little lotus shaped metal knob on it that can be dug into the ground.

The correct terminology is "sopal", but in colloquial speech people very often call it a "brongsong".

Strictly speaking a brongsong is a case for any weapon, it is also a woven basket that we put around fruit when it is still on the tree to protect it, so it will not fall because of wind or ripeness and get damaged .

danny1976 · 27th March 2011, 10:56 AM

[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong".

@ Mr Maisey . So can i conclude out of the words above that the spears are not from Java ? I.m not sure by myself because the metal of the tombak is verry
dense welded , and the top of the ''bronsong'' makes me hesitate also .

someone that has a idea ?

26th March 2011, 05:48 PM	#1
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Beautiful spear! It's n great condition! Wonder what a clean up of the blade would revile. Thanks for sharing! I'll be interested to see what other info other forum members will add

26th March 2011, 06:10 PM	#2
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	@ Nathaniel, Thanks I will clean and etch (warangan ) the blade in the summer.

26th March 2011, 06:28 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	for a miniature it looks quite nicely detailed. getting all that detail into less than an inch is difficult

26th March 2011, 08:09 PM	#6
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi Maurice , I believe there is something in youre collection soon with the same provenance About the etching ... i will wait until i realy know where the from, when the are from Java i will give them the warangan treatment . i they are from a other island maybe i just leave them in this state , not sure yet.

27th March 2011, 02:18 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong". The butt of the spear shaft when covered with metal is called a "tunjung". The word "tunjung" actually means "lotus" and the tunjung on the end of spear shaft has a little lotus shaped metal knob on it that can be dug into the ground. The correct terminology is "sopal", but in colloquial speech people very often call it a "brongsong". Strictly speaking a brongsong is a case for any weapon, it is also a woven basket that we put around fruit when it is still on the tree to protect it, so it will not fall because of wind or ripeness and get damaged .

27th March 2011, 10:56 AM	#9
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong". @ Mr Maisey . So can i conclude out of the words above that the spears are not from Java ? I.m not sure by myself because the metal of the tombak is verry dense welded , and the top of the ''bronsong'' makes me hesitate also . someone that has a idea ?