javanese keris

Alam Shah · 7th July 2005, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rahman

Thanks for the photos. I'm attracted to the Sari Bulan wrangka. Is that from Java? It does look like the Sumatran ones but a lot broader.

The picture is Warangka Tanggalan model known since Kesultanan Demak but faded towards the end of Mataram Kartasura era. Even then, it managed to spread to Sumatra and Peninsula Malaya.

An attack led by Adipati Yunus with the armada from the Demak kingdom, at Singapura in the year 1511, to repel the Portugese from the island, might brought the influence and development of the sheath form into the Peninsula Melayu including Riau.

Alam Shah · 7th July 2005, 04:28 AM

In the olden days, the warangka tanggalan which started during the Demak Kingdom started to decline after the fall on the kingdom.

This sheath form started the warangka gayaman and ladrang.

The practice of making the tanggalan form ceased near the end of the Mataram Kartasura era. Although it ceased in Java, the evolved sheath form are still made outside Java. It is known as sarung keris sampir bahari, or sarung keris Bangkinang, or Dua Hari Bulan. The form is still being made in the Riau Islands and Kelantan Malaysia, also in Surathani Thailand.

Other evolved sheath form includes Sarung Keris Buah Mancang and Sarung Keris Sari Bulan.

nechesh · 7th July 2005, 02:57 PM

Thanks Marto. What you say about tangguh has been stated numerous times in the past, but it seems to be our very human trait to attempt to put a name and a catagory to everything regardless of our technical ability to do so with accurate certainty. As you say, tangguh of VERY FEW keris are easily identifiable in photographs, and i believe mhm27's keris is no exception. Kingdom styles have a tendency to bleed into one another. Often syles are copied in later kingdoms. Materials are very important in IDs so the weight of the blade in hand is an important factor as is the feel of the pamor, qualities a photograph can never convey. There is also a more esorteric feel to the blade which cannot be grasped through photos alone. Then keris are dressed and redressed and redressed again, so clues beyond the blade itself often yield little valuable info about origin. The process of tangguh is often misused and misunderstood.

nechesh · 7th July 2005, 04:54 PM

I did just want to add that inspite of what i just wrote i don't think there is anything wrong with us making educated guesses at the age of keris. I just think it is important that we recognize that they are just that.

7th July 2005, 04:28 AM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	About Warangka Tanggalan - cont'd In the olden days, the warangka tanggalan which started during the Demak Kingdom started to decline after the fall on the kingdom. This sheath form started the warangka gayaman and ladrang. The practice of making the tanggalan form ceased near the end of the Mataram Kartasura era. Although it ceased in Java, the evolved sheath form are still made outside Java. It is known as sarung keris sampir bahari, or sarung keris Bangkinang, or Dua Hari Bulan. The form is still being made in the Riau Islands and Kelantan Malaysia, also in Surathani Thailand. Other evolved sheath form includes Sarung Keris Buah Mancang and Sarung Keris Sari Bulan.

7th July 2005, 02:57 PM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Thanks Marto. What you say about tangguh has been stated numerous times in the past, but it seems to be our very human trait to attempt to put a name and a catagory to everything regardless of our technical ability to do so with accurate certainty. As you say, tangguh of VERY FEW keris are easily identifiable in photographs, and i believe mhm27's keris is no exception. Kingdom styles have a tendency to bleed into one another. Often syles are copied in later kingdoms. Materials are very important in IDs so the weight of the blade in hand is an important factor as is the feel of the pamor, qualities a photograph can never convey. There is also a more esorteric feel to the blade which cannot be grasped through photos alone. Then keris are dressed and redressed and redressed again, so clues beyond the blade itself often yield little valuable info about origin. The process of tangguh is often misused and misunderstood.

7th July 2005, 04:54 PM	#4
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I did just want to add that inspite of what i just wrote i don't think there is anything wrong with us making educated guesses at the age of keris. I just think it is important that we recognize that they are just that.