Keris Lurus in Yogyakarta fittings

nechesh · 6th July 2005, 09:12 PM

Kai, it seems unlikely to me that the inscription in the wreath would be oriented this way. It's upside down. The bottom of the wreath should point downwards. This also puts the sheath in the direction in which it is usually viewed. In that direction this might be a number....309 or 319?

kai · 12th July 2005, 02:52 AM

Thanks, Nechesh! I should have checked sheaths with decent inscriptions first...

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This also puts the sheath in the direction in which it is usually viewed. In that direction this might be a number....309 or 319?

Looks even more illegible this way...

Are there any conventions what might be specified in this place?

Regards,
Kai

nechesh · 12th July 2005, 11:43 AM

My personal favorite spelling is Djogyakarta.

Anytime a language is translated outside of it's original alphabet these spelling variation are bound to happen as the English aphabet struggles to find the right letters for the proper sounds. Ys and Js are often interchangable in many language translations.
Numerology is very common in Java. The number 319 might hold a very personal significance to the original owner, one that we will probably never decipher.
I have found this Djogya hilt form to be generally smaller than it's Solo counterpart, so i don't believe this is due to it being made for a smaller hand size, just the style.

kai · 12th July 2005, 09:59 PM

Thanks, Nechesh!

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Anytime a language is translated outside of it's original alphabet these spelling variation are bound to happen as the English aphabet struggles to find the right letters for the proper sounds.

Let's hope, it's still the Roman alphabet since else we're in trouble, phonetically speaking - u no...

I know the former Dutch-based spelling which was changed after the independance. I thought that alongside with the Bahasa Indonesia there came a standard spelling system. However, I reckon this will deviate from the local dialects' pronounciations. Is this the case here?

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I have found this Djogya hilt form to be generally smaller than it's Solo counterpart, so i don't believe this is due to it being made for a smaller hand size, just the style.

Has anybody gathered data on hilt lengths for Keris Jawa? Any estimates in case of missing data? I'd like to get a feeling for the usual size ranges for the respective styles if possible...

Regards,
Kai

6th July 2005, 09:12 PM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Kai, it seems unlikely to me that the inscription in the wreath would be oriented this way. It's upside down. The bottom of the wreath should point downwards. This also puts the sheath in the direction in which it is usually viewed. In that direction this might be a number....309 or 319?

12th July 2005, 11:43 AM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	My personal favorite spelling is Djogyakarta. Anytime a language is translated outside of it's original alphabet these spelling variation are bound to happen as the English aphabet struggles to find the right letters for the proper sounds. Ys and Js are often interchangable in many language translations. Numerology is very common in Java. The number 319 might hold a very personal significance to the original owner, one that we will probably never decipher. I have found this Djogya hilt form to be generally smaller than it's Solo counterpart, so i don't believe this is due to it being made for a smaller hand size, just the style.