Help To ID A Possible Philippine Club

VANDOO · 1st March 2011, 11:01 PM

I HAVE TRIED TO FIND INFORMATION ON WAR CLUBS FROM THE PHILIPPINES BEFORE WITH VERY LITTLE SUCESS. CLUBS WERE SURELY USED AT SOME POINT IN THE ISLANDS HISTORY BUT INFORMATION AND EXAMPLES FOR REFRENCE HAVE ELUDED ME SO FAR.
CLUBS WOULD STILL BE USEFUL EVEN TODAY AS THEY ARE INEXPENSIVE TO MAKE AND THE MATERIALS EASY TO COME BY SO ITS EASY TO SUSPECT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN USED EVEN UP TO THE PRESENT IN SOME AREAS.
AT ANY RATE THE CLUB SHOWS GOOD PATINA, WEAR AND AGE SO WOULD BE A GOOD BUY EVEN IF ITS ZULU OR SOMETHING IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A AFRICAN CLUB WITH ALL THESE FEATURES SO PERHAPS OUR AFRICAN COLLECTORS CAN HELP GET AN ID ON IT. GOOD LUCK

Robert · 2nd March 2011, 01:07 AM

I have tried to doctor the pictures up a little so maybe someone could possibly identify the type of wood that this is made from in hope that it could help in its overall identification.

Robert

Lew · 2nd March 2011, 03:08 AM

Rob

It's an old knobkerrie my friend probably Tanzanian or Kenyan?

migueldiaz · 2nd March 2011, 07:22 AM

Hello, all. At the West Point (USMA) museum, there's two similar clubs to the right and left of the Kalinga axe (pic attached).

I don't recall though the captions of those two clubs saying they are from the Philippines. Maybe somebody has a clearer shot or will recall what's written in there - then that would settle the matter.

Looking also at the war clubs from the Bandholtz collection at the Phil. National Museum, we don't see a similar looking piece.

Perhaps the nearest resemblance of said club is the Philippine rattan club found at the Victor Balaguer museum near Barcelona, Spain. The photo is below.

Lew · 2nd March 2011, 11:35 AM

The clubs next to the axe could be native American since there are other stone headed axes next to it?

migueldiaz · 2nd March 2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lew

The clubs next to the axe could be native American since there are other stone headed axes next to it?

Thanks, Lew. Indeed, it turns out. Per attached pic, the one to the left of the Kalinga axe says "Dakota" while the one to the right says "American Indian Club".

Incidentally, the axe's caption says "Luguagan, Northern Luzon". It is actually Lubuagan, which is part of the Kalinga province.

Robert · 2nd March 2011, 09:42 PM

Well folks, you pay your money and you take your chances. This is what happens when you don't really know what it is you're looking at and end up buying the story and not the item.

My main concern now is if this is in fact actually an African knobkerrie did I pay too much for what it is.

Robert

2nd March 2011, 01:07 AM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I have tried to doctor the pictures up a little so maybe someone could possibly identify the type of wood that this is made from in hope that it could help in its overall identification. Robert Attached Images

2nd March 2011, 07:22 AM	#4
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Hello, all. At the West Point (USMA) museum, there's two similar clubs to the right and left of the Kalinga axe (pic attached). I don't recall though the captions of those two clubs saying they are from the Philippines. Maybe somebody has a clearer shot or will recall what's written in there - then that would settle the matter. Looking also at the war clubs from the Bandholtz collection at the Phil. National Museum, we don't see a similar looking piece. Perhaps the nearest resemblance of said club is the Philippine rattan club found at the Victor Balaguer museum near Barcelona, Spain. The photo is below. Attached Images

2nd March 2011, 09:42 PM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Well folks, you pay your money and you take your chances. This is what happens when you don't really know what it is you're looking at and end up buying the story and not the item. My main concern now is if this is in fact actually an African knobkerrie did I pay too much for what it is. Robert Last edited by Robert Coleman; 2nd March 2011 at 10:57 PM.

1st March 2011, 11:01 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE TRIED TO FIND INFORMATION ON WAR CLUBS FROM THE PHILIPPINES BEFORE WITH VERY LITTLE SUCESS. CLUBS WERE SURELY USED AT SOME POINT IN THE ISLANDS HISTORY BUT INFORMATION AND EXAMPLES FOR REFRENCE HAVE ELUDED ME SO FAR. CLUBS WOULD STILL BE USEFUL EVEN TODAY AS THEY ARE INEXPENSIVE TO MAKE AND THE MATERIALS EASY TO COME BY SO ITS EASY TO SUSPECT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN USED EVEN UP TO THE PRESENT IN SOME AREAS. AT ANY RATE THE CLUB SHOWS GOOD PATINA, WEAR AND AGE SO WOULD BE A GOOD BUY EVEN IF ITS ZULU OR SOMETHING IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT. I HAVEN'T SEEN A AFRICAN CLUB WITH ALL THESE FEATURES SO PERHAPS OUR AFRICAN COLLECTORS CAN HELP GET AN ID ON IT. GOOD LUCK

2nd March 2011, 03:08 AM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Rob It's an old knobkerrie my friend probably Tanzanian or Kenyan?

2nd March 2011, 11:35 AM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The clubs next to the axe could be native American since there are other stone headed axes next to it?