Translation help on Sikin Panjang

erikscollectables · 5th February 2011, 11:08 AM

Indeed very exiting and an extremly rare find to have a name at all let alone a name that can be traced and is inlaid in gold - very very nice

Sajen · 5th February 2011, 11:22 AM

Agree with Eric and Maurice: beautiful to have a piece with informed history!

Battara · 5th February 2011, 06:37 PM

Oh I wish I had this on my sikim! Congratulations on a wonderful piece!

Jonno · 5th February 2011, 07:52 PM

Thank you all for your comment.

Here some other details of the sikin.

asomotif · 5th February 2011, 10:38 PM

Congrats !!
Very nice addition to any collection.
Military weapons that can be traced are plenty around...

But tribal named is rare, and than even tracable to the original owner.

Still hoped it would say "send me to Willem"

Very nice find. And in such good condition.
Where did you find it ? dutch collection ?

Battara · 6th February 2011, 12:12 AM

I'd like to know if these types of sikim belonged to panglimas in general or those just part of the royal palace?

Jonno · 6th February 2011, 06:50 AM

I think this kind of sikins where owned by Royals of a Sagi and they are usually not direct related with the Sultan family.
(In contrast to Java, Aceh had only one Sultan family)

erikscollectables · 6th February 2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I'd like to know if these types of sikim belonged to panglimas in general or those just part of the royal palace?

From what I have read the use of gold on weapons was limited to leaders and nobility by the Adat (local laws). Leaders can mean both worldly like a panglima (military leader) but also the village head or area (sagi) leader eg and religious like the iman. In the struggle against the Dutch all these played an important role and the leadership often (but certainly not always) had a noble background.
Nobility inhereted the right - leaders had to earn the right.
In a book I read the panglima got his "honour" sikin as it was called there after his military group was big and succesfull enough to be recognized.

The question which for me is still unawnsered is what is the difference in status between the number and/or type of crowns (puco is sharp in form and three rows of crowns and the glupa type with only two rows of crowns). None of the old or more recent books go into this.

And after that who could wear the other type of weapons with gold like the peudeung and siwaih (sewar). It seems these were even more limited - probably only higher forms of nobility which clarifies why these are even rarer to find.

Jonno · 6th February 2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Congrats !!
Very nice find. And in such good condition.
Where did you find it ? dutch collection ?

Yes, Dutch collection.

5th February 2011, 07:52 PM	#4
Jonno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 51	Thank you all for your comment. Here some other details of the sikin. Attached Images Last edited by Jonno; 5th February 2011 at 08:12 PM.

5th February 2011, 11:08 AM	#1
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Indeed very exiting and an extremly rare find to have a name at all let alone a name that can be traced and is inlaid in gold - very very nice

5th February 2011, 11:22 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,278	Agree with Eric and Maurice: beautiful to have a piece with informed history!

5th February 2011, 06:37 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Oh I wish I had this on my sikim! Congratulations on a wonderful piece!

5th February 2011, 10:38 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Congrats !! Very nice addition to any collection. Military weapons that can be traced are plenty around... But tribal named is rare, and than even tracable to the original owner. Still hoped it would say "send me to Willem" Very nice find. And in such good condition. Where did you find it ? dutch collection ?

6th February 2011, 12:12 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	I'd like to know if these types of sikim belonged to panglimas in general or those just part of the royal palace?

6th February 2011, 06:50 AM	#7
Jonno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 51	I think this kind of sikins where owned by Royals of a Sagi and they are usually not direct related with the Sultan family. (In contrast to Java, Aceh had only one Sultan family)