An Interesting Old Quality Daab/Dha with Lacquered Wooden Scabbard

Nathaniel · 16th January 2011, 01:15 AM

Very beautiful piece! I was wondering who got this one too!! Great to see the Photos!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

Nathaniel · 16th January 2011, 01:16 AM

Charles can snap a close up of the makers mark of the blade!?!?!

VANDOO · 16th January 2011, 02:53 AM

CONGRADULATIONS THAT IS A BEAUTY.

THE SCABBARD IS UNUSUAL AND DIFFERENT FROM ANY I HAVE SEEN BEFORE. THE CARVED IVORY IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON MOST BURMESE AND THAI SWORDS OR CARVINGS. THE FACES ARE CARVED TO LOOK ALMOST TIKI LIKE NOT LIKE BEAUTIFUL HUMAN FACES AS USUAL. OF COURSE IT MAY NOT REPRESENT A HUMAN BUT A MONKEY GOD OR SOMETHING. PERHAPS THE DESIGNS ON THE SCABBARD AND THE CARVEING STYLE WILL SHED MORE LIGHT ON ITS ORIGINS.

Battara · 16th January 2011, 04:42 AM

Well I am sure that these faces are not of Hanuman. However, who can they be?

I may post (after I take close ups) my ivory hilted dha to show similar figures carved in "tiki" form, but these are all Hanumans.

Nathaniel · 16th January 2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

CONGRADULATIONS THAT IS A BEAUTY.

THE SCABBARD IS UNUSUAL AND DIFFERENT FROM ANY I HAVE SEEN BEFORE. THE CARVED IVORY IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON MOST BURMESE AND THAI SWORDS OR CARVINGS. THE FACES ARE CARVED TO LOOK ALMOST TIKI LIKE NOT LIKE BEAUTIFUL HUMAN FACES AS USUAL. OF COURSE IT MAY NOT REPRESENT A HUMAN BUT A MONKEY GOD OR SOMETHING. PERHAPS THE DESIGNS ON THE SCABBARD AND THE CARVEING STYLE WILL SHED MORE LIGHT ON ITS ORIGINS.

I thought there was some comment by Mark that the differences in ivory carving styles that the more delicate latticework carving was more Burman/mon: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=moulmein

And that the more superficial carving was more Northern style of Shan?

This was a good discussion regarding ivory carving styles:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=burmese+ivory

Nathaniel · 16th January 2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

CONGRADULATIONS THAT IS A BEAUTY.

THE SCABBARD IS UNUSUAL AND DIFFERENT FROM ANY I HAVE SEEN BEFORE. THE CARVED IVORY IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON MOST BURMESE AND THAI SWORDS OR CARVINGS. THE FACES ARE CARVED TO LOOK ALMOST TIKI LIKE NOT LIKE BEAUTIFUL HUMAN FACES AS USUAL. OF COURSE IT MAY NOT REPRESENT A HUMAN BUT A MONKEY GOD OR SOMETHING. PERHAPS THE DESIGNS ON THE SCABBARD AND THE CARVEING STYLE WILL SHED MORE LIGHT ON ITS ORIGINS.

Charles, it would be interesting as well to see close ups of each of the scenes of each panel on the scabbard, when you have time

They look like scenes from the Ramakien: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramakien

Battara · 17th January 2011, 05:27 AM

Here are pictures of my dha with similar carvings (but of Hanuman figures) in ivory from the Shan (according to Mark Bowditch) for comparison and explanation of what I talked about earlier (Pictures from the Macao exhibit and Mark Bowditch).

17th January 2011, 05:27 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Here are pictures of my dha with similar carvings (but of Hanuman figures) in ivory from the Shan (according to Mark Bowditch) for comparison and explanation of what I talked about earlier (Pictures from the Macao exhibit and Mark Bowditch). Attached Images

16th January 2011, 01:15 AM	#1
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Very beautiful piece! I was wondering who got this one too!! Great to see the Photos!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

16th January 2011, 01:16 AM	#2
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Charles can snap a close up of the makers mark of the blade!?!?!

16th January 2011, 02:53 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	CONGRADULATIONS THAT IS A BEAUTY. THE SCABBARD IS UNUSUAL AND DIFFERENT FROM ANY I HAVE SEEN BEFORE. THE CARVED IVORY IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON MOST BURMESE AND THAI SWORDS OR CARVINGS. THE FACES ARE CARVED TO LOOK ALMOST TIKI LIKE NOT LIKE BEAUTIFUL HUMAN FACES AS USUAL. OF COURSE IT MAY NOT REPRESENT A HUMAN BUT A MONKEY GOD OR SOMETHING. PERHAPS THE DESIGNS ON THE SCABBARD AND THE CARVEING STYLE WILL SHED MORE LIGHT ON ITS ORIGINS.

16th January 2011, 04:42 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Well I am sure that these faces are not of Hanuman. However, who can they be? I may post (after I take close ups) my ivory hilted dha to show similar figures carved in "tiki" form, but these are all Hanumans.