Moro Spear

Gavin Nugent · 20th November 2010, 03:43 AM

Thanks BigG, Battara,

Here is the ole warrior restored.

Both sides of the blade now cleaned, collar and butt cap also cleaned and the wood oiled.... came up a quite nice

The collar looks to be Suassa with the brass/gold/copper tones

The Butt fitting retains a green patina after a very good clean.

Seeing how well it came up, given the time, I might just get in to that Yanyuedao.

Gav

David · 20th November 2010, 03:46 AM

Oh stop it Gav, you're killin' me!

That sure is a beauty alright. Maybe the sweetest Moro spear i've seen.

BigG · 20th November 2010, 02:36 PM

Excellent restoration work. Outstanding budiak ths...

Battara · 20th November 2010, 04:26 PM

Wonderful piece! Looking like brass sleeve and butt to me.........

Nice work! Old warrior back to its former glory.

Sajen · 20th November 2010, 04:32 PM

Congratulations for this beauty and the very good restore work!

Gavin Nugent · 21st November 2010, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Oh stop it Gav, you're killin' me!

That sure is a beauty alright. Maybe the sweetest Moro spear i've seen.

Oh come on David

, just one more.....

Battara, BigG, Sajen, turned out better than I imagined.

Gav

Battara · 21st November 2010, 08:03 AM

Yes, definitely brass sleeve. Say if you ever throw it in the trash, let me know so that I can come by and unburden you.

tunggulametung · 21st November 2010, 03:52 PM

Since Bangsa Moro is great sailor, I think this hook on the butt cap is useful for spearfishing (still practiced in Indonesia). The rope can be secured to the collar to like on Lee's example. Just an idea.

Two of the pictures come from here

David · 21st November 2010, 04:10 PM

I don't believe that this was ever intended for spear fishing. The spearhead is all wrong and would not be efficient for keeping the catch on the spear.

tunggulametung · 21st November 2010, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I don't believe that this was ever intended for spear fishing. The spearhead is all wrong and would not be efficient for keeping the catch on the spear.

Me too. I agree about the shape of the head, it is too fancy as well. But ritual and belief system sometime goes beyond that. I just try to go outside of the box and think. So how about water/boat fight? I think I read somewhere that Bangsa Moro is a good fighter both on land and water?

tunggulametung · 21st November 2010, 04:42 PM

As for the translation, I can't help much. We need to limit which language is most likely used here. Tausug? Yakan? Maguindanao? Maranao? what else is probable? I don't speak any of these languages nor within knowledge how differ the vocabulary, I understand that some if not many of them are interchangeable, even to Malay but I believe there are times when they are greatly differ.

I believe when we are speaking about older days, spelling is not really matter, the most important is how they sound and how someone can give meaning to that sound. So if we are looking for the translation on dictionary, we have to try on more than one word for greater possibilities. And of course getting it translated by someone who speak the language is better because they can translate it not only word by word but by the whole idea. Sorry can't express it in shorter word

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I generally agree with Big if we speak from Malay point of view as I will go here, these might be far from valid (given the language differences above) but I'll just try here to give a perspective. On the first line, first letter is unreadable to me (but might be significant). I don't read any "datu", only "tu" which can be a shorter form of "untuk" (for), next maybe "kami" (us), then "hasil" (result/in return-exchange for), on the second line I speculate it will be "nakar kan datu hasim" because I will put "waw" (u) after "nun" (n) if I want to go "nukarkan" (to exchange) but again spelling doesn't matter anyway ... google says "nakar" is pearl in tagalog? maybe close/similarities with languages down south? "kan" sound familiar, common suffix in malay, also shorther form of "akan" (will be) etc.. but I believe have different meaning in Moro Land. This is my best try, I hope someone who speak the language can translate it, would be exciting to know what it read in the end. Sorry if I read the Jawi in error I'm not fluent. Congrats for this outstanding budiak (or whatever the original owner call it)!

20th November 2010, 03:43 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Clean Thanks BigG, Battara, Here is the ole warrior restored. Both sides of the blade now cleaned, collar and butt cap also cleaned and the wood oiled.... came up a quite nice The collar looks to be Suassa with the brass/gold/copper tones The Butt fitting retains a green patina after a very good clean. Seeing how well it came up, given the time, I might just get in to that Yanyuedao. Gav Attached Images

21st November 2010, 03:52 PM	#8
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	Since Bangsa Moro is great sailor, I think this hook on the butt cap is useful for spearfishing (still practiced in Indonesia). The rope can be secured to the collar to like on Lee's example. Just an idea. Two of the pictures come from here Attached Images

21st November 2010, 04:42 PM	#11
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	As for the translation, I can't help much. We need to limit which language is most likely used here. Tausug? Yakan? Maguindanao? Maranao? what else is probable? I don't speak any of these languages nor within knowledge how differ the vocabulary, I understand that some if not many of them are interchangeable, even to Malay but I believe there are times when they are greatly differ. I believe when we are speaking about older days, spelling is not really matter, the most important is how they sound and how someone can give meaning to that sound. So if we are looking for the translation on dictionary, we have to try on more than one word for greater possibilities. And of course getting it translated by someone who speak the language is better because they can translate it not only word by word but by the whole idea. Sorry can't express it in shorter word . I generally agree with Big if we speak from Malay point of view as I will go here, these might be far from valid (given the language differences above) but I'll just try here to give a perspective. On the first line, first letter is unreadable to me (but might be significant). I don't read any "datu", only "tu" which can be a shorter form of "untuk" (for), next maybe "kami" (us), then "hasil" (result/in return-exchange for), on the second line I speculate it will be "nakar kan datu hasim" because I will put "waw" (u) after "nun" (n) if I want to go "nukarkan" (to exchange) but again spelling doesn't matter anyway ... google says "nakar" is pearl in tagalog? maybe close/similarities with languages down south? "kan" sound familiar, common suffix in malay, also shorther form of "akan" (will be) etc.. but I believe have different meaning in Moro Land. This is my best try, I hope someone who speak the language can translate it, would be exciting to know what it read in the end. Sorry if I read the Jawi in error I'm not fluent. Congrats for this outstanding budiak (or whatever the original owner call it)! Attached Images

20th November 2010, 03:46 AM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,261	Oh stop it Gav, you're killin' me! That sure is a beauty alright. Maybe the sweetest Moro spear i've seen.

20th November 2010, 02:36 PM	#3
BigG Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Singapore Posts: 75	Excellent restoration work. Outstanding budiak ths...

20th November 2010, 04:26 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,363	Wonderful piece! Looking like brass sleeve and butt to me......... Nice work! Old warrior back to its former glory.

20th November 2010, 04:32 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,490	Congratulations for this beauty and the very good restore work!

21st November 2010, 08:03 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,363	Yes, definitely brass sleeve. Say if you ever throw it in the trash, let me know so that I can come by and unburden you.

21st November 2010, 04:10 PM	#9
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,261	I don't believe that this was ever intended for spear fishing. The spearhead is all wrong and would not be efficient for keeping the catch on the spear.