Moro Spear

Gavin Nugent · 17th November 2010, 05:50 AM

Here is a notion, fanciful too..let me have my dreams for a moment

With the translation that has been offered, could the word Jamil actually be Amil as in Datu Amil from the Sulu regions noted in Fultons work?
Finding such note worthy script on a spear or any Moro weapon for that matter must have a great importance and Amil was of the new school of thought were others were considered old school, perhaps a change that was note worthy enough to show on a spear and the spear being the king of weapons....let the dream stay for a minute before you all come firing in...

Gav

BigG · 18th November 2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by freebooter

...could the word Jamil actually be Amil ...

Gav

not likely... the Jawi letter that came after the Jawi spelling of Datu' in the first line is the letter JHIM that creates the equivalent of the romanise consonant sound made by the letter "J"... as in "Jug, Jiggle, Joe". For the word to be Amil... the first Jawi letter has to be a different and distinctively written one. That is the Jawi letter of "ALIF"... That letter is not present there...

Battara · 19th November 2010, 02:58 AM

I would also propose that this piece is definitely pre-WWII, even perhaps pre-1900.

Gavin Nugent · 20th November 2010, 02:43 AM

Thanks BigG, Battara,

Here is the ole warrior restored.

Both sides of the blade now cleaned, collar and butt cap also cleaned and the wood oiled.... came up a quite nice

The collar looks to be Suassa with the brass/gold/copper tones

The Butt fitting retains a green patina after a very good clean.

Seeing how well it came up, given the time, I might just get in to that Yanyuedao.

Gav

David · 20th November 2010, 02:46 AM

Oh stop it Gav, you're killin' me!

That sure is a beauty alright. Maybe the sweetest Moro spear i've seen.

BigG · 20th November 2010, 01:36 PM

Excellent restoration work. Outstanding budiak ths...

Battara · 20th November 2010, 03:26 PM

Wonderful piece! Looking like brass sleeve and butt to me.........

Nice work! Old warrior back to its former glory.

Gavin Nugent · 21st November 2010, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Oh stop it Gav, you're killin' me!

That sure is a beauty alright. Maybe the sweetest Moro spear i've seen.

Oh come on David

, just one more.....

Battara, BigG, Sajen, turned out better than I imagined.

Gav

Battara · 21st November 2010, 07:03 AM

Yes, definitely brass sleeve. Say if you ever throw it in the trash, let me know so that I can come by and unburden you.

17th November 2010, 05:50 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	here's a notion Here is a notion, fanciful too..let me have my dreams for a moment With the translation that has been offered, could the word Jamil actually be Amil as in Datu Amil from the Sulu regions noted in Fultons work? Finding such note worthy script on a spear or any Moro weapon for that matter must have a great importance and Amil was of the new school of thought were others were considered old school, perhaps a change that was note worthy enough to show on a spear and the spear being the king of weapons....let the dream stay for a minute before you all come firing in... Gav

20th November 2010, 02:43 AM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Clean Thanks BigG, Battara, Here is the ole warrior restored. Both sides of the blade now cleaned, collar and butt cap also cleaned and the wood oiled.... came up a quite nice The collar looks to be Suassa with the brass/gold/copper tones The Butt fitting retains a green patina after a very good clean. Seeing how well it came up, given the time, I might just get in to that Yanyuedao. Gav Attached Images

19th November 2010, 02:58 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	I would also propose that this piece is definitely pre-WWII, even perhaps pre-1900.

20th November 2010, 02:46 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Oh stop it Gav, you're killin' me! That sure is a beauty alright. Maybe the sweetest Moro spear i've seen.

20th November 2010, 01:36 PM	#6
BigG Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Singapore Posts: 75	Excellent restoration work. Outstanding budiak ths...

20th November 2010, 03:26 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	Wonderful piece! Looking like brass sleeve and butt to me......... Nice work! Old warrior back to its former glory.

21st November 2010, 07:03 AM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	Yes, definitely brass sleeve. Say if you ever throw it in the trash, let me know so that I can come by and unburden you.